Winny without Test?

[phatty]

6'2, 32yo, 10%bf, 200lbs, training 12 years, 1 cycle

I want to do a 2nd cycle, but I'm looking to drop bf% and not bulk up. My 1st cycle was test & winny, and the test made me bulk up like crazy. Not looking for that again. I'm wondering if I can take winny with something lighter, like perhaps equipose? Will that prevent shut down?
Oh, and I realize bf% is all about diet - but when I diet I drop far too much muscle mass. Looking to stay where I'm at (or maybe slight gain), but lose the fat.

[bass]

Oh, and I realize bf% is all about diet - but when I diet I drop far too much muscle mass. Looking to stay where I'm at (or maybe slight gain), but lose the fat.

all the more reason you want to add test! unfortunately winny alone wont make you lose fat, diet is the the key! while on cycle do a no starchy carbs diet for 6 days and one cheat day! make sure your up your protein intake and drink lots of water!

[brad1986]

all the more reason you want to add test! unfortunately winny alone wont make you lose fat, diet is the the key! while on cycle do a no starchy carbs diet for 6 days and one cheat day! make sure your up your protein intake and drink lots of water!

agreed 100% test is best. Diet will decide if you bulk or cut. When i diet i try not to drop calories more than 200 per day. i just increase protien and decrease carbs my .2

[phatty]

I think you missed the 1st part of my post - I did this with Test, and I bulked up too much. Looking not to use Test. And again... I realize it's all about diet... So to repeat my question, can I use equipose instead of test with winny without fear of shut down?

[brad1986]

no that would be terrible

[Honkey_Kong]

I think you missed the 1st part of my post - I did this with Test, and I bulked up too much. Looking not to use Test. And again... I realize it's all about diet... So to repeat my question, can I use equipose instead of test with winny without fear of shut down?

You'll still shut down. You might want to run an TRT dose of test.

[RoidReaper]

all the more reason you want to add test! unfortunately winny alone wont make you lose fat, diet is the the key! while on cycle do a no starchy carbs diet for 6 days and one cheat day! make sure your up your protein intake and drink lots of water!

Agreed, the whole winny burns fat topic is a myth.

[jtuner77]

Only way to properly take Winny is with some form of test. If you get to big then go about it naturally?

[slimshady01]

Why not go 200mg of test a week and 50-75mg of anavar for 8 weeks.

You not going to get big on 200mg

[dexstar138]

what kind of test will work, with out me loosing my hair haha

[slimshady01]

Any test go trt dose

[bass]

Why not go 200mg of test a week and 50-75mg of anavar for 8 weeks.

You not going to get big on 200mg

much better protocol! although var doesn't agree with me, however it does wonders for others!

[bass]

I think you missed the 1st part of my post - I did this with Test, and I bulked up too much. Looking not to use Test. And again... I realize it's all about diet... So to repeat my question, can I use equipose instead of test with winny without fear of shut down?

i can be on 600 mgs test ew and still lose muscle if i don't eat enough! this is why i suggested the no starchy carbs with high protein diet, its the only way to lose the fat. the test will help preserve your muscle while you burn fat, and winny can aid in that as well. like SlimShady said, TRT does would be perfect!

[choo9]

test trt at a minimum

[vlad878]

lol at op using steroids and complaining about bulking up too much

use a anti e if you are scared of waterweight from test

[Machinek69]

Sounds to me like you should take a thermogenic like Recreate. Possibly 250 test e a week. The test would be more long term for you as it has a slower ester. not expensive in bulk too. So... Theres that.

[ThE DarK KnighT]

If your looking to cut, and do not want size...why don't you jut run Liq Clen & Liq T3?