little freak6ed out....any help appreciated!!

[jayanticoli]

ok im 27...15%bf...6'3 277lbs 6yrs lifting.....this is my 3rd cycle ever
test cyp....750mgs a wk winstrol 30mgs ed

im going into my 3rd week and my morning weight is already at 286.....i know cyp isnt the best to combine with winny but its my staple i always respond well to and im comfortable with it.....i have 1mg tabs of arimidex avail and also i have nolva and hcg planned for my pct so that is on hand also

my diet is very very clean and im a cardio freak but i feel like im holding soo much water more so then my prev cycles of just test cyp alone

any help is much appreciates.....thanks fellas!

[slimshady01]

what you freaking out about? You not trying to gain weight?

[takedownII]

your freakin out about holding water? could it be diet related, has that changed?

[cantbetouched]

^^^ rite previouse doseages would be nice.. how much armidex are you taking?
thats a freak load of test btw!! for a 3rd cycle

[jayanticoli]

im freaking out cause im bloated to shit already and im not even onto the magical 3week mark where the test really kicks in....my diet is very very clean and im not one of those bullshiting kids who just says it....should i up the winny dosage? i was gona take the winny ed for 8wks.....like i said i do have arimidex on hand...start takin that? ive never takin either with a cycle this is my frist cycle with anything but test alone so im just double checkin my shit

[jayanticoli]

preve dose of test was 500mgs a week......is that too much test? should i back it down?

[takedownII]

ok that's probably the issue then....and no that's not too much.....depends on your goals however....i'm on a gram a week now adn i'm fine

ironically i'm holding hardly ANY water....everyone's body is gonna react different though...i'd say keep running what you are , should be fine bro

[jayanticoli]

my goals this time are to add some size but im tryin out the winny to hardin up....and im doin alot of cardio this time too where as prev cycles i didnt.....should i start the armidex? is that you in you avatar? if so you look like a monster

[cantbetouched]

testosterone cyponate..yes 750mg is a big jump... from 500 cmon you know what an extra ml looks like when you put it in you... you just added 50% from your last cycle... your holding water with no AI on a long ester? really bud you have to come up with a good reason for this cycle? yes your gonna hold water on long ester! yes your going to bloat on test long esters. yes your going to bloat with no AI. What is going on man.. did you research anything or just start jabbing the last 2 cycles...
take .25mg adex eod bloat will go down a lot. run that till the end...
did you not gain much from 500mg last time? drop the test to 500 maybe 600 if you didn't get what you wanted from 500 without winny.
If you didn't have winny id stay at 500mg. winny at the end.
now where this pct you have me worried about your situation..

[cantbetouched]

BTW diet can be on point but sodium levels are somthing few lok at. winny need to be 50mg ed also

[jayanticoli]

ok cantbetouched thanks for the tough love.....ur right i didnt do much research i actually relied on a stong knowledged friend who is turning into an unhelpful bastard as of late so im lookin to you guys .....im gonna bring the test down to 500 i feel.....ill also start the adex in the am....ill also up the winny to 50mgs daily and ride that for the reminder of the 8wks i had orig planned......you dont like my pct plan? nolva and hcg?

[Windex]

ok cantbetouched thanks for the tough love.....ur right i didnt do much research i actually relied on a stong knowledged friend who is turning into an unhelpful bastard as of late so im lookin to you guys .....im gonna bring the test down to 500 i feel.....ill also start the adex in the am....ill also up the winny to 50mgs daily and ride that for the reminder of the 8wks i had orig planned......you dont like my pct plan? nolva and hcg?

Higher doses DOES NOT MEAN BETTER GAINS. Not sure how you can blindly listen to your friend. This is your body that you could potentially ruin for the rest of your life. You can't just borrow your friends later on because he gave you bad advice. Do yourself a huge favor and spend a lot of time reading all the educational threads and self-educate yourself about exactly what your doing. By the end of the cycle you should be well informed on most information. I'd also post your diet up in the diet section and continue reading on this website and probably stop listening to your friend because he sounds like an idiot.

Your PCT plan is garbage, no offense.

HCG should be run DURING YOUR CYCLE AND NOT PCT.

This is how you should have setup your cycle:

Week 1- 14 Test Cypionate 500 mg/wk (Or 12 I dont know how long your running it for)
Week 1 - 14 50 mg Winstrol / ED
Week 1-14 0.5mg Armidex EOD
Week 1-14 500 IU's HCG (Injected 2x/week @ 250 IU's

PCT 16 DAYS AFTER LAST TEST CYP INJECTION:

Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20/20/20 mg ED
Clomid @ 50/50/25/25/25/25 mg ED OR Torem @ 120/120/60/60/60/60 mg ED

Supplements to Take:

Glucosamine
Milk Thistle (500mg EOD) - Use if your taking Oral Winstrol.

[cantbetouched]

Higher doses DOES NOT MEAN BETTER GAINS. Not sure how you can blindly listen to your friend. This is your body that you could potentially ruin for the rest of your life. You can't just borrow your friends later on because he gave you bad advice. Do yourself a huge favor and spend a lot of time reading all the educational threads and self-educate yourself about exactly what your doing. By the end of the cycle you should be well informed on most information. I'd also post your diet up in the diet section and continue reading on this website and probably stop listening to your friend because he sounds like an idiot.

Your PCT plan is garbage, no offense.

HCG should be run DURING YOUR CYCLE AND NOT PCT.

This is how you should have setup your cycle:

Week 1- 14 Test Cypionate 500 mg/wk (Or 12 I dont know how long your running it for)
Week 1 - 14 50 mg Winstrol / ED
Week 1-14 0.5mg Armidex EOD
Week 1-14 500 IU's HCG (Injected 2x/week @ 250 IU's

PCT 16 DAYS AFTER LAST TEST CYP INJECTION:

Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20/20/20 mg ED
Clomid @ 50/50/25/25/25/25 mg ED OR Torem @ 120/120/60/60/60/60 mg ED

Supplements to Take:

Glucosamine
Milk Thistle (500mg EOD) - Use if your taking Oral Winstrol.

If you do have oral winny DO NOT TAKE IT FOR 14 WEEKS I WOULD ONLY GO WEEKS 13-16 yeah i got the tough love on my go around so i rely the feeling... but here to help

[cantbetouched]

Higher doses DOES NOT MEAN BETTER GAINS. WHAT YOU MENT TO SAY IS HIGHER DOSES DO GIVE BETTER GAINS!!! take your advise and read!! Not sure how you can blindly listen to your friend. This is your body that you could potentially ruin for the rest of your life. You can't just borrow your friends later on because he gave you bad advice. Do yourself a huge favor and spend a lot of time reading all the educational threads and self-educate yourself about exactly what your doing. By the end of the cycle you should be well informed on most information. I'd also post your diet up in the diet section and continue reading on this website and probably stop listening to your friend because he sounds like an idiot.

Your PCT plan is garbage, no offense.

HCG should be run DURING YOUR CYCLE AND NOT PCT.

This is how you should have setup your cycle:

Week 1- 14 Test Cypionate 500 mg/wk (Or 12 I dont know how long your running it for)
Week 1 - 14 50 mg Winstrol / ED
Week 1-14 0.5mg Armidex EOD
Week 1-14 500 IU's HCG (Injected 2x/week @ 250 IU's

PCT 16 DAYS AFTER LAST TEST CYP INJECTION:

Nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20/20/20 mg ED
Clomid @ 50/50/25/25/25/25 mg ED OR Torem @ 120/120/60/60/60/60 mg ED

Supplements to Take:

Glucosamine
Milk Thistle (500mg EOD) - Use if your taking Oral Winstrol.

Change in fat-free mass (A), fat mass (B), leg press strength (C), thigh muscle volume (D), quadriceps muscle volume (E), sexual function (F), insulin-like growth factor I (G), and prostate-specific antigen (H). Data are means ± SE. *Significant differences from all other groups (P < 0.05); significant difference from 25-, 50-, and 125-mg doses (P < 0.05); +significant difference from 25- and 50-mg doses (P < 0.05); and significant difference from 25-mg dose (P < 0.05). (14)
Now this is very interesting. You’ll note that the most fat was lost by the group in this study who used the highest dose (600mgs/week), and the most Fat Free mass, Strength and Muscle Volume was gained, when compared to any of the lower doses studied (14). Basically, the more testosterone you use (and this holds true for almost all steroids), the more gains you’ll get! I know that the previous statement will ruffle some feathers in the “less is more” club, but that’s simply too bad…more test = more muscle, more strength, more size, and less fat.

Did the men in this study experience side effects at the 600mg dose? Well…HDL cholesterol was lowered (but not total cholesterol or triglyceride levels), and two guys got Acne. Not exactly cause for a Senate Investigation, huh? (14)
Of course, the usual nasty side effects you can get from any form of injectable testosterone are possible with testosterone Enanthate (acne, hairloss, prostate enlargement, and shutting down your body’s own natural hormonal system, etc…) but they are very overstated or controllable in many instances.

A large percentage of those side effects occur from the body’s ability to turn testosterone into estrogen via a metabolic pathway mediated by the aromatase enzyme. This process, known as aromatization causes a portion of testosterone to be converted to estrogen. Aromatase Inhibitors (Arimidex and Letroaole, for example) can combat this very effectively, and are usually necessary with doses over ½ a gram per week.

This was taken from our steroid profile section!!!

[jayanticoli]

thanks alot for your input windex.....as of today im up to 50mgs on winny.....added the adex at .5 and is it a dumb idea to just start the hcg now? today is day 2 of my 3rd week

[cantbetouched]

I wouldn't even take it until i got into a in depth cycle bbut to each is own with hcg it can cause more sides...