Going to do my first cycle this summer

[Dave01]

I'm 20 years old and have been lifting natty for around 3 years. I've made quite good gains in this time and have gained allot of experience and knowledge of training and nutrition.

I want to get huge though and want to do it quick (compared to how long it would take natural anyway). I'm going to be taking 500mg's of Sustanon 250 a week for a 12 week cycle. Then after 12 weeks do another and after another 12 weeks gap do a 3rd and final cycle.

I just want to take test. I honestly don't know much about other steroids and I don't understand or know which other ones are good and safe.

My training plan on test would be a 6 day a week plan of

Chest/Tri
Back/Bi
Legs/Shoulders
repeat
then 1 days rest

Also, Cardio 3 or 4 times a week for around 20- 30 minutes.

I know that no matter what steroid you are taking that you won't make good gains unless your nutrition is great. I plan on eating around 4000 - 6000 cals a day from mostly clean foods. I'll be eating 1.5- 2 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.

I'm aware that allot of the weight I gain will be water weight.

Basically it would be great if you could help me with these questions:

Assuming that I eat good quality nutrition and train like an animal, how much lean muscle mass and weight doyou think I should expect to gain. I know this depends on many variables but roughly after 3 cycles of hard work what should I roughly be expecting? I was thinking maybe around 30 pounds of lean muscle mass. Is that reasonable?

What number of cals is best? I plan on eating 4000 - 6000 per day but I could eat more if needed.

Thank you

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ids&highlight=

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

[Dave01]

I'm still far from my genetic potential but I don't want to wait another 10 years to achieve this when I could do it quicker. I've been training for 3 years as well and my nutrition is excellent.

[Dave01]

wait so I shouldn't be taking these till 21?

[marcus300]

Please read the post again very carefully, nothing comes quick in this game and by using steroids you could cause yourself more harm than good.

[Dave01]

I just read it. I'm not worried about lack of training (3 years of experience) or lack of knowledge on nutrition.I've been reading on nutrition since 15.

I definitely won't take them till at least 21 now but 25? I don't know. The main reason I want to be big is to have fun in my early 20's and possibly compete one day but if can't take them until 25 I don't see the need of them at all. for me personally.

I'd really want to take them in the summer when I'm 21 (summer because I have 3 months off) and that would leave me pretty close to 22.

Are you sure that 3 simple Testosterone cycles will do me damage. I'd check to make sure that my growth plates were closed too. Maybe even just 1 or 2 cycles at 21 would be fine.

I've read many other places as well that it's usually fine by 21.

thanks for your help though. I'll take any advice with open arms.

[Dave01]

I read allot more info the subject over tonight and have decided not to take them because of the possible consequences. I thought at first that a simple test cycle at 20/21 was fine but I was wrong.

Thanks for the help as you may have helped me dodge a bullet. I read on steroids.com that you could do it at 18 years old and that's why I thought 20 would be fine. I guess I'll just have to work extra hard on both training and nutrition.

I might take them at 25 but I doubt it.

[bruary17]

Dave01,
You have in your body right now, the amount of testosterone that most adult men would kill for. Take advantage of THAT! The severe risks associated with using gear right now far out weigh the benefits. But if you can never have children one day and you go completely bald by the age of 22, you will ask your self why you didn't wait.

[Dave01]

Dave01,
You have in your body right now, the amount of testosterone that most adult men would kill for. Take advantage of THAT! The severe risks associated with using gear right now far out weigh the benefits. But if you can never have children one day and you go completely bald by the age of 22, you will ask your self why you didn't wait.

Can they stop you from having kids?

Also I've realized that now. I'm just going to work harder in the gym and eat more quality nutrition.

[lc1213]

Glad you listened to these guys, they know what they are talking about and want you to learn what's best for you before you try aas. Good luck with your training!

[apacheman75]

I read allot more info the subject over tonight and have decided not to take them because of the possible consequences. I thought at first that a simple test cycle at 20/21 was fine but I was wrong.

Thanks for the help as you may have helped me dodge a bullet. I read on steroids.com that you could do it at 18 years old and that's why I thought 20 would be fine. I guess I'll just have to work extra hard on both training and nutrition.

I might take them at 25 but I doubt it.

Good for you dude!! It's a decision you won't regret all good things come to those who wait. I guarantee Marcus didn't get huge overnight.