Questions on Clenbuterol

[spor]

6'0
195
17-18%
Looking to run my first clen cycle to cut down to 10% bodyfat and lower if possible... I'm looking to run a 6 week cycle but I'm not sure if I should run clen alone or with t3 and how I should set the cycle up

any sort of input is appreciated
thanks

[njkid123]

i had the same issue.. this is what i understand so far:
clen will NOT help u gain muscle but it'll just help maintain it (assuming u have a proper diet)
T3 will increase ur metabolic rate incredibly along with clen, it will also burn your muscle.... but u get really good results.
now, im a 2nd year med-student and if u wanna stay healthy... no matter what anyone else tells u... dont mess with T3... T3 is secreted by ur thyroid gland... u dont wanna mess with that in anyway. so leave T3 alone.

after some research i chose to do clen alone... 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off cycle.. u wont get the results that u get with t3+clen but u will still see some decent results with a proper diet.
taper up ur cycle.. meaning start with 20mcg and when ure comfortable with the sides up ur dose... never exceed 120mcg.

check out the thread i started abt clen.. i have my cycle listed on there... just search it

[njkid123]

here you go:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...len&highlight=

[spor]

thanks alot I'll give it a read

[cantbetouched]

Wha wha what... you did absolutly no searching before your post!!! if you did you would have at least some idea of a cycle outline... that link sucks no detail what so ever!!! 2nd yr med haha i bet if your were who cares are you specalizing in endocrinology? cause thats what the thyroid and all of the gland we on here are talking and concerned about... not general med... btw if you were a med student you would know the thyroid is the most resilient gland in the body... here is a real link if you want that much fat loss t3 will be needed!!!! but i think at 17 you can diet down a little more! Also you neglected to mention your age new member!!! why? slip your mind?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-Cutting-Cycle... That is a LINK for you to read!!

[spor]

Day 1 Clen 20mcg / T3 12.5mcg
Day 2 Clen 40mcg / T3 12.5mcg
Day 3 Clen 40mcg / T3 25mcg
Day 4 Clen 50mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day 5 Clen 60mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day 6 Clen 70mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 7 Clen 80mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 8 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day 9 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day10 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day11 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day12 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day13 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day14 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day15 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day16 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day17 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day18 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day19 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day20 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day21 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day22 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day23 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day24 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day25 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day26 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day27 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day28 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day29 Clen 80mcg / T3 62.5mcg
Day30 Clen 80mcg / T3 62.5cg
Day31 Clen 80mcg / T3 62.5mcg
Day32 Clen 80mcg / T3 50mcg
Day33 Clen 80mcg / T3 50mcg
Day34 Clen 80mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day35 Clen 80mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day36 Clen off / T3 37.5mcg
Day37 Clen off / T3 37.5mcg
Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg

I read the above link and came up with this, how does it look? My hesitance led to the lower starting doses than the OP of the other thread recommends, the OP of the other thread also mentions you can run ephedrine on the off week for clen... I read that this was actually counteractive towards the purpose of the off week as eca's hit the receptors even more than clen does and would not give them time to recover during the off week??

I also want to run anavar as the mild anabolic through the cycle but I have no idea at what dose and what pct??? I'm a complete newbie to this so all the help I can get is wholly appreciated!

[cantbetouched]

age for more info buddy?

[apacheman75]

If your truly 17 then you shouldn't be messing with any of this stuff! Eat and workout hard!!!

[spor]

age for more info buddy?

21 next month, where is all this talk of me being 17 coming from

[cantbetouched]

the 17 was me saying bf but forgot bf..lol okay welp idk man t3 at that age is risky just because your body is finally settling down after puberty and it needs to settle... but rite now you dont care you just wanna loose weight.. lol been in your spot. personally i would rather you use aas than t3 at 21 if you did either.. but it's and info site and you came clean and honest so here ya go BTW i dont think this is a great idea but im sure youd get the info bits and peices anyway so might as well come all at once!!! t3 is thyroid so messing it up if it happens rare can make youy the lard ass later in life wiht a thyroid condition making you obese so you know!!! so you know so you know!!!! I cant give you advice i'll get myself burned on here to be honest sorry man... But i'll say that link told you everything you needed that im not or anyone will tell you!! good luck make the rite choice for you think about the future..

[cantbetouched]

here is the safes best way for you to drop weight diet here is a rough one but it should be dang close
meal 1 4 eggs 1 cup oats sweetlow packet when ever you wake up i get up at 11 am so im not much for morning so what i stay up latelol
meal 2 1 can tuna mixed with whole wheat pasta about 1 serving so you can get around 30g protien and some alfredo sauce for taste 1 pm
meal 3 1 6 oz chicken breast and whole wheat pasta same sauce say 3 pm
meal 4 wholewheat whole grain bread 2 slices say 4 oz turkey sliced deli.. and i like honey mustard the healthier brand on it say 430.. preworkout
post work bananna pear apple whatever simple carb spike your slin a bit for a whey shake i like milk others hats the sugar in it but im not concerned with it im a big boy and i wanna stay big so bring on the carbs in moderation of course lol flax seed glutamine added to my shake
20 - 40 min after shake
meal 5 8 oz chick breast cut up on salad witha peice of wheat toast to give some more carbs pwo say 6 maybe 7 pm
meal 6 1 can tuna 2 eggs and as few oats i can get away just to make it stay together to make a tuna patty with ketchup so good say 9pm
before bed i have this stuff my roomates mom make with blue-green micro-Algae of Spirulina and Chlorella. Plant enzymes of fresh ground flax seed and millet. Plus an Amino acid of L-Glutamine. with some whey protein and milk so freakin good!! i usually lay in bed for a while before i fall asleep i take sleeping pills now lol and we'll say this around ohhh idk 11 i'll pass out around 1 maybe 2 thats why milke here is a good factor for me plus i hat cottage cheese.. do this and with your stats this will help you get there no macros thats yourjob but bmr and tdee are for you to youtube on your own..

[njkid123]

Wha wha what... you did absolutly no searching before your post!!! if you did you would have at least some idea of a cycle outline... that link sucks no detail what so ever!!! 2nd yr med haha i bet if your were who cares are you specalizing in endocrinology? cause thats what the thyroid and all of the gland we on here are talking and concerned about... not general med... btw if you were a med student you would know the thyroid is the most resilient gland in the body... here is a real link if you want that much fat loss t3 will be needed!!!! but i think at 17 you can diet down a little more! Also you neglected to mention your age new member!!! why? slip your mind?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-Cutting-Cycle... That is a LINK for you to read!!

i just told him to look at my cycle... apparently u know more abt hormones than me.. personally, i wouldn't mess with any hormones that are secreted by the thyroid gland...no T3 for me and ill post pic after my cycle.. u tell me if T3 is really needed or not

P.S. what exactly do you mean when you said "thyroid is the most resilient gland in the body" resilient to what? maybe ill learn something

[njkid123]

people still take T3 and seem to be fine. but no matter what everyone say's.. i would nvr take T3.
i know ure 17 and were all telling u to not take T3 or do clen
but if u still do it.. have a CLEAN diet, work out proper and just take clen... i guarantee you will still lose a good amt of weight
look at it this way..i lost 7 lbs in 15 days with no supps but protein shakes and good clean food... and good cardio + workout. Adding clen on top of that routine would be cherry!

[jtuner77]

Day 1 Clen 20mcg / T3 12.5mcg
Day 2 Clen 40mcg / T3 12.5mcg
Day 3 Clen 40mcg / T3 25mcg
Day 4 Clen 50mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day 5 Clen 60mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day 6 Clen 70mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 7 Clen 80mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 8 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day 9 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day10 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day11 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day12 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day13 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day14 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day15 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day16 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day17 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day18 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day19 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day20 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day21 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day22 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day23 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day24 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day25 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day26 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day27 Clen off / T3 75mcg
Day28 Clen off / T3 62.5mcg
Day29 Clen 80mcg / T3 62.5mcg
Day30 Clen 80mcg / T3 62.5cg
Day31 Clen 80mcg / T3 62.5mcg
Day32 Clen 80mcg / T3 50mcg
Day33 Clen 80mcg / T3 50mcg
Day34 Clen 80mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day35 Clen 80mcg / T3 37.5mcg
Day36 Clen off / T3 37.5mcg
Day37 Clen off / T3 37.5mcg
Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg

I read the above link and came up with this, how does it look? My hesitance led to the lower starting doses than the OP of the other thread recommends, the OP of the other thread also mentions you can run ephedrine on the off week for clen... I read that this was actually counteractive towards the purpose of the off week as eca's hit the receptors even more than clen does and would not give them time to recover during the off week??

I also want to run anavar as the mild anabolic through the cycle but I have no idea at what dose and what pct??? I'm a complete newbie to this so all the help I can get is wholly appreciated!

This is bad. T3 levels too high in some areas IMO, plus you are breaking too early on the Clen, why would you stop after a week? 2 weeks then a pause or keto or ECA is better IMO.

two ways to do it IMO( I avoid T3, too much of a gamble with your thyroid and will adversely affect your weight loss goals when you are confronted with the Keto munchies)

6 weeks straight

wk 1 clen 40mcg
wk 2 clen 60mcg
wk3 clen 80mcg/keto 2cc
wk4 clen 100mcg
wk5 clen 120mcg
wk6 clen 14omcg/keto 2cc

Wk1 60mcg
wk2 80mcg
wk3 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk4 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk5 80mcg
wk6 100mcg
wk7 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk8 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk9 100mcg
wk10 120mcg

[njkid123]

this is bad. T3 levels too high in some areas imo, plus you are breaking too early on the clen, why would you stop after a week? 2 weeks then a pause or keto or eca is better imo.

Two ways to do it imo( i avoid t3, too much of a gamble with your thyroid and will adversely affect your weight loss goals when you are confronted with the keto munchies)

6 weeks straight

wk 1 clen 40mcg
wk 2 clen 60mcg
wk3 clen 80mcg/keto 2cc
wk4 clen 100mcg
wk5 clen 120mcg
wk6 clen 14omcg/keto 2cc

wk1 60mcg
wk2 80mcg
wk3 off or eca or 2cc of keto a day
wk4 off or eca or 2cc of keto a day
wk5 80mcg
wk6 100mcg
wk7 off or eca or 2cc of keto a day
wk8 off or eca or 2cc of keto a day
wk9 100mcg
wk10 120mcg

thank you!

[spor]

This is bad. T3 levels too high in some areas IMO, plus you are breaking too early on the Clen, why would you stop after a week? 2 weeks then a pause or keto or ECA is better IMO.

two ways to do it IMO( I avoid T3, too much of a gamble with your thyroid and will adversely affect your weight loss goals when you are confronted with the Keto munchies)

6 weeks straight

wk 1 clen 40mcg
wk 2 clen 60mcg
wk3 clen 80mcg/keto 2cc
wk4 clen 100mcg
wk5 clen 120mcg
wk6 clen 14omcg/keto 2cc

Wk1 60mcg
wk2 80mcg
wk3 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk4 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk5 80mcg
wk6 100mcg
wk7 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk8 off or ECA or 2cc of Keto a day
wk9 100mcg
wk10 120mcg

I created that cycle from the link to the thread cantbetouched posted, so many contradicting posts on t3 clen cycles... jeez
Both of the cycles you posted have me going over 80mcg on the clen which I'm hesitant about since this is my first cycle, would it be okay if I bumped down the dosage abit?

Also thanks to everyone advising me about a clean diet but I can assure you my diet is perfect, I just want to cut down asap so I can get on an immediate bulk, I'm going to be doing a ketogenic diet throughout the clen cycle.. anyone have experience of running clen while on the diet? I know the diet is quite efficient for fat loss alone but I want to get down to 10% or approximate bf as soon as possible as to save as much time as I can for a big bulk

thanks for the help guys

[jtuner77]

Step down the dosage or raise it accordingly. After a while you will notice that you will need to up the dosage.

Please post your diet and macro nutrients. Everyone assumes their diet is perfect as have I a few times and everytime I have been proven wrong. Don't recommend running a huge carb deficit diet on Clen.

[njkid123]

I created that cycle from the link to the thread cantbetouched posted, so many contradicting posts on t3 clen cycles... jeez
Both of the cycles you posted have me going over 80mcg on the clen which I'm hesitant about since this is my first cycle, would it be okay if I bumped down the dosage abit?

Also thanks to everyone advising me about a clean diet but I can assure you my diet is perfect, I just want to cut down asap so I can get on an immediate bulk, I'm going to be doing a ketogenic diet throughout the clen cycle.. anyone have experience of running clen while on the diet? I know the diet is quite efficient for fat loss alone but I want to get down to 10% or approximate bf as soon as possible as to save as much time as I can for a big bulk

thanks for the help guys

oh ok, then why dont you bulk up first and then use clen during your PCT? that would be more efficient
but if u wanna lose weight before ur cycle do a 2 week on 2 week off cycle with clen.. see if ure at what u want to be and then do ur cycle.

my friend stacked Test E (500mg/week) with clen (2 wk on/ 2 wk off).. saw some impressive results

[njkid123]

Taper up your dosage.. so u'll be fine with 80mcg... never exceed 120 mcg

[spor]

So I should just disregard the keto diet completely? I've had very good fat loss on it before (2-3lbs a week after first 2 week adjusting and 8lbs water loss) but since I went on a terrible dreamer bulk over christmas and put on a heck load of fat

What macros do you recommend?

oh ok, then why dont you bulk up first and then use clen during your PCT? that would be more efficient
but if u wanna lose weight before ur cycle do a 2 week on 2 week off cycle with clen.. see if ure at what u want to be and then do ur cycle.

my friend stacked Test E (500mg/week) with clen (2 wk on/ 2 wk off).. saw some impressive results

I might just do the 2 week on 2 week off cycle with clen and see how it goes, could I run a mild anabolic with it rather than test?

[jtuner77]

Going by your stats you are at about 155lbs of lean muscle(i rarely trust these without seeing pics)

So just in general I would run 45/35/20 protein/carbs/fat or even 50/35/15 if you want to be aggressive about it.

Also I have seen and heard of many people exceeding 120mcg without issues but to each his own.

Test is the base for any cycle of AAS so running anything else without test in the cycle wouldnt be wise without your system shutting down.

[spor]

ah thanks, how does this look:

Wk1
DAY 1 20
DAY 2 40
3 40
4-7 60
wk2 60mcg
wk3 off or 2cc of Keto a day
wk4 off or 2cc of Keto a day
wk5 60mcg
wk6 70mcg
wk7 off or 2cc of Keto a day
wk8 off or 2cc of Keto a day
wk9 70mcg
wk10 80mcg

[cantbetouched]

i just told him to look at my cycle... apparently u know more abt hormones than me.. personally, i wouldn't mess with any hormones that are secreted by the thyroid gland...no T3 for me and ill post pic after my cycle.. u tell me if T3 is really needed or not

P.S. what exactly do you mean when you said "thyroid is the most resilient gland in the body" resilient to what? maybe ill learn something

you make absolutly no sense.. did you read the post at all? not good enough in order to drop that much bf in that short of time aka 45 days... t3 will be needed. if you think your gonna do that then go ahead post dem pics!! i would love to see yoou drop 7 % bf in 45 days natty..

[cantbetouched]

This post needs to be move to diet section!!!

[jtuner77]

7 x 1.95=roughly 13.65lbs. Not very hard to do in 45 days. Not super easy but HARDLY impossible to do cantbetouched

[spor]

This post needs to be move to diet section!!!

sorry I was unaware of the diet section,

[njkid123]

you make absolutly no sense.. did you read the post at all? not good enough in order to drop that much bf in that short of time aka 45 days... t3 will be needed. if you think your gonna do that then go ahead post dem pics!! i would love to see yoou drop 7 % bf in 45 days natty..

sure thing buddy... i will.
but u still didnt explain what u meant when u said "thyroid is the most resilient gland in the body" please elaborate
read my post again i said im doing a 12 week cycle... 42 days = 6 weeks.. u do the math.
results WILL be different as compared to Clen+T3.. but atleast ill keep my muscle when i do clen alone

[njkid123]

you make absolutly no sense.. did you read the post at all? not good enough in order to drop that much bf in that short of time aka 45 days... t3 will be needed. if you think your gonna do that then go ahead post dem pics!! i would love to see yoou drop 7 % bf in 45 days natty..

im not trying to go against u or any ish like that... im just trying to tell this fella what best for him

[cantbetouched]

and your doing a cycle of aas... this will help you lose weight.. he is to young for aas so you go lose 13.45lb of pure fat natty in 45 days and log it!!!
now to the thyroid. the t3 cycle is just like a test cycle it shuts down normal function of the body nbut reganes it back... the parathyroid glands that are in most ppl located in the thyroid are the essential part of the gland itself... so with t3 just being a hormone seduce the hormone and not gonna avoid the fact of damage but the gland itsself will revert back to it's nomral function faster because of homeostatic mechanisms in the body. ie* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid you dont need test to live you need metabolism to live.... hope that explains it well enough.. if not the link goes to it being you may or may nnot be a med student you know the body wil maintain itself under harsh conditions and adjust.. sijmply put thyroid is important very important so the body will get it functioning faster for homeostasis..exit the grammer all typing is done on my phone some driving lol

[cantbetouched]

it has been posted to move to the diet section already....

[spor]

how do I move this to the diet section then?

[cantbetouched]

I wouldn't worry about it, just start a new thread there...

[jtuner77]

and your doing a cycle of aas... this will help you lose weight.. he is to young for aas so you go lose 13.45lb of pure fat natty in 45 days and log it!!!
now to the thyroid. the t3 cycle is just like a test cycle it shuts down normal function of the body nbut reganes it back... the parathyroid glands that are in most ppl located in the thyroid are the essential part of the gland itself... so with t3 just being a hormone seduce the hormone and not gonna avoid the fact of damage but the gland itsself will revert back to it's nomral function faster because of homeostatic mechanisms in the body. ie* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid you dont need test to live you need metabolism to live.... hope that explains it well enough.. if not the link goes to it being you may or may nnot be a med student you know the body wil maintain itself under harsh conditions and adjust.. sijmply put thyroid is important very important so the body will get it functioning faster for homeostasis..exit the grammer all typing is done on my phone some driving lol

I have sunshine....with no aas or chems

[spor]

thanks for the help guys, started a new thread on the diet board to hopefully get some more input; this thread really confuses me with everyone opposing eachother's input

[gbrice75]

This post needs to be move to diet section!!!

Not sure why you suggested this as I don't see much talk regarding diet in this thread.

[cantbetouched]

Age... diet talk.. off subject nutrition. no need for him to use aas/t3 when he his still young just diet!

[cantbetouched]

just trying to say eat.. dont use drugs.. in a around the bush way. by saying that.

[cantbetouched]

I have sunshine....with no aas or chems

post up a log then!! I'll subscribe..

[spor]

Age... diet talk.. off subject nutrition. no need for him to use aas/t3 when he his still young just diet!

I'm 21 and want to run clen(even though I probably won't now due to my inability to get straightforward information) ... I thought you were redirecting me to the diet section to get some more information on clen, not to fix my diet that doesn't need fixing.

[stjohn07]

haha i have mixed emotions on the whole subject as well, i myself am looking to run a cycle of clen but cannot get much info either.