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    NEVERBIGENOUGH is offline Junior Member
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    next cycle cutting!

    Hey guys wrappping up 8wk prop/tren
    Its my 6th
    iim 31
    5 7 225
    want to drop to190 200.
    I know diet cardio. But I want to do it on cycle.
    I was thinking prop winnie and anavar
    I was running prop 100 ed then dropped it to 50 ed gyno. Now hitting 100 ed as I finish out no gyno. Yaaaay.
    so what do u guys think? Time? Dosages? Good idea? Suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEVERBIGENOUGH View Post
    Hey guys wrappping up 8wk prop/tren
    Its my 6th
    iim 31
    5 7 225
    want to drop to190 200.
    I know diet cardio. But I want to do it on cycle.
    I was thinking prop winnie and anavar
    I was running prop 100 ed then dropped it to 50 ed gyno. Now hitting 100 ed as I finish out no gyno. Yaaaay.
    so what do u guys think? Time? Dosages? Good idea? Suggestions?
    What is your body fat percentage ? 5'7 @ 225 lbs means your one big teddy bear. Dropping 25-35 lbs could easily be achieved in 4 months through proper dieting and cardio (which is coincidentally the average length of a cycle + PCT). No amount of Tren, Anavar, or Winstrol will make you look shredded without the right diet & cardio. Your post sortof implies that your only willing to work hard if you've already made an investment (ie - Gear) - which would also imply you'd jump right back up to your current wait a month out of PCT (correct me if I'm off-base).

    Secondly, I think Winny and Var is redundant [based on what I've read]. If your already 5 cycles deep, then just do Test + Tren in my opinion.

    Perhaps something like:

    Week 1-10 Test Prop @ 350 - 500 mg/wk
    Week 1-6 [or 8] Tren Ace @ 400 - 600 mg/wk
    Week 1-10 Aromasin 12.5 mg/EOD OR Armidex 0.5mg/EOD
    Week 1-10 HCG 500 IU's/wk [Split into 2x 250 IU shots]

    PCT:

    Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
    Torem 160/160/60/60/60/60 OR Clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25



    Anyone with personal experience or more knowledgeable feel free to chime in if I've given bad advise =S.

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    NEVERBIGENOUGH is offline Junior Member
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    Sorry clarify. Im finishing 6th cycle.
    and because im 225 does not mean teddy bear.
    bf is under 15 or lower
    I am big. I wear a 34 waist in my pants.
    I have been lifint for 17 yrs off and on. 8 understand diet very well.
    Running shorter cycles. 4months is one hell of a cycle.
    I do know. Besides diet I can speed maintaing muscle while droppping bf.
    I want to maintain as much muscle as I can and lean out.
    Thanks gang.

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    looks good

    id change is go w/ 500iu 2x week for HCG ,

    clomid over torem, definately for a tren cycle.
    torem over nolva also...

    clomid is 100/100/50/50////25

    go with the best AI for urself, keepin estro undercontrol will control prolactin issues

    8 weeks of prop, 6 weeks of tren is how long i would go. Maybe w/ winny or mast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEVERBIGENOUGH View Post
    Sorry clarify. Im finishing 6th cycle.
    and because im 225 does not mean teddy bear.
    bf is under 15 or lower
    I am big. I wear a 34 waist in my pants.
    I have been lifint for 17 yrs off and on. 8 understand diet very well.
    Running shorter cycles. 4months is one hell of a cycle.
    I do know. Besides diet I can speed maintaing muscle while droppping bf.
    I want to maintain as much muscle as I can and lean out.
    Thanks gang.
    By saying you were a teddy bear I was adding humor to your post, wasn't implying that I thought you would be fat. How are you measuring your bodyfat % ?

    I said a cycle + PCT is 4 months (12 Week Cycle + 4 Week PCT or 10 Week Cycle + 6 Week PCT). Regardless my advice still stands about how I would cycle if you want to achieve those goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonada8 View Post
    looks good

    id change is go w/ 500iu 2x week for HCG ,

    clomid over torem, definately for a tren cycle.
    torem over nolva also...

    clomid is 100/100/50/50////25

    go with the best AI for urself, keepin estro undercontrol will control prolactin issues

    8 weeks of prop, 6 weeks of tren is how long i would go. Maybe w/ winny or mast.
    I'd disagree with Masteron if he's at 15% bodyfat. Why do you propose 1000 IU's of HCG though ? ^_^

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    I was going w/ a DHT derivative to add in if he wanted.

    it makes it easier for injections, i get 5000iu hcg so 5 weeks a vial works better :P. 10,000 iu for a cycle cuz the first day of pct, i do the rest. so 2000iu. mkes it nice and even 2 vials
    also the difference between 250 and 500 isnt much the next big jump is 1000iu. U can also do 1000iu 1x week cuz it has diurnal pulsity of test production.

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    gyno is the devil.

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