prop and sus?

would anyone run prop at 100mg every 2 days with 250mg sus every week or would you be better off with 500mg sus splitting it with 2 jabs a week?

and by sus i mean sustanon incase anyone was wondering :D

Ive moved your thread into the right section.

What are your stats?
Cycle histroy?
how long have you been training?

to be honest mate this is more of a debate between a mate and myself, so just a general rule would be great.

Yeah sure it is, Ive just checked your previous posts and your 20yrs old you shouldn't even be debating steroids, you should be research foods and understand how to eat to get big......Sorry but I wont be advising someone on steroids at 20yrs old. Now dont get all defencive you should listen and learn, forget steroids they will hurt you at your age in areas you dont want to be having problems, go and research diets, best of luck

oh im not debating i have done them before and sure ur opinion has merits but this is honestly just a debate between a mate and myself and i was looking for someone to settle a debate on this.

Your 20yrs old forget steroids weather your debating or thinking about using, you wasting your energy in the wrong area, go and debate foods/diets/training with your friend.

i appreciate your concern but id actually just like a straight up answer for the question..so if anyone can give me an answer that would be great.
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Simple answer, Yes there are people stupid enough to run any crazy pointless cycle you can possible think of, especially kids who are to immature to realize what it can do to you or listen to anyone with more experience since they are invulnerable to anything that could possible go wrong and they are the exception to the rule. In other words we will see you back soon enough with your ED questions.

well mate i think thats for the persons concerned to worry about those problems. Instead of giving useful information it seems like you just want to complain about age and about problems which you may encounter. It might help if you just answer the question and give useful information based on the question. I am sure people get enough of this from anyone they know when they mention steroid use. If information could just be given instead of what you are doing people might actually ask questions instead of trying and hurting themselves. Just my opinion here which i think many people starting out learning about things whether they are actually trying it or researching useful information about cycles would help people more in the long run rather than telling them not to, because to be honest people who want to try this are going to try it no matter what you all say. So best to help them by giving them information about what they ask to ensure they are doing it properly.
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There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus