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hi every one,
I will start a steroid cycle for the second time, the first it was sustanon 500mg per week i get 15lbs n i keep 12lbs for 12week cycle. Now im 165lbs for 5,5 at about 12% body fat.
I want to reach 176lbs what stand alone cycle would be sweet-able???
Your only 21yrs old, do you have any idea what taking steroids could do to someone who hasn't fully developed their own hormonal system yet?
in worse case a permanently shut down of natural production...but 500mg was not that much and i didn't shut down at any time of my cycle, but a gain 12lbs. 1yrs past and i want to start a second cycle...
Yes you did shut down your natural testosterone down when you cycled and if you was lucky enough to regain full function that doesnt mean it will happen again. You also dont know if you did regain full function because you didnt have bloodwork donw before or after the cycle so all you doing is guessing. Do you really want to be struggling with getting a hard on in your 20's or having to go to the doctor for HRT?
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There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.
I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.
I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus
OK Marcus, thanks a lot for your respond. Now I'll think twice... but i reach a plateau, i get stuck on 165lbs....i change my diet for a high protein one but i dont progress any more...i do a bodytype test and im a mix of ecto-mesomorph...i traine since 3yrs and i pack on 53lbs. may i already reach my genetic limit?
You need to learn how to eat to grow, your diet wont be right for the goals your trying to achieve, I can assure you on that. Go to the diet section and post your daily diet and ask for help..
ok thank to you Marcus
I love those comments from the young and naive; it wasnt that much. LOL How much is to much? We see plenty of people who have done a lot less and had permanent or long lasting problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuseru
I am on 200mg a week, guess what? I am 100% shut down. I will stay shut down until I stop using and use a PCT to kick start my natural testosterone into working again. There is no such thing as not being shut down on cycle unless your gear is fake. If you where taking 500mg a week your natural production had stopped. Luckily it started back up again. That doesnt mean that everything is working 100% like it was or will continue and doing it again will put you at a lot more risk.
If you are lucky you did not fuse your growth plates. If you think you are done growing then you need to go back to 9th grade biology and re learn how the body keeps growing into your early/mid 20s. It's not just about height; how tall you get but also you fill out, getting wider. Maybe you like the idea of having shoulders like a 15 year old girl? LOL
Now dont come back with saying how you know this kid or that kid who did a cycle or two at 15, 16, 17 etc and have NO issue. It's funny how Viagara is one of the biggest selling drugs in the US and around the world but no one I know admits to using it let alone needing it. How many of your friends would tell you they have ED issues? How many of your friends would you tell? How many would you tell you have a STD? See, people dont talk about those things but that doesnt mean they aren't happening.
Read the above post from Marcus. When you are done read it again and continue reading it until it sings in and you understand the risks. If you think it's worth the risk then you still didn't understand the article/post.
Honestly, everyone wants the magic pill... if you needed gear to get from 150-165lbs and now you need another cycle to gain another measly 11 pounds and you do not have the discipline and cannot take the time to do it from diet alone (which is 90% of your problem)- I feel very sorry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuseru
Honestly, everyone wants the magic pill... if you needed gear to get from 150-165lbs and now you need another cycle to gain another measly 11 pounds and you do not have the discipline and cannot take the time to do it from diet alone (which is 90% of your problem)- I feel very sorry for you.[/QUOTE]
the diet is any way a problem....i measure my total intake to built learn mass....1.5g per pound of protein.
2800 carbs
25% essential
take man but my diet has been built by a Dietitian. Just have any one to help me on performance enhancers....
listen to the advice given...
Great comment with the STD and Viagra. Puts it in perspective for him.