First cycle

[Madslasher]

I'm 28 5' 11" 185lbs. Real ectomorph skinny bodytype, I've been working out pretty hard for that past 3 years to look like I do now, and keep a pretty steady diet over 3000+ calories a day. Mostly pasta(spaghetti, noodles), chicken, rice, lean ground beef. When I'm in a rush to and from school usually I get subway or something similar, and have sandwich material handy, meat and cheese that sorta stuff.
I finally decided on a cycle, and its as follows:
Weeks 1-4: 30mg Dbol per day
Weeks 1-10 : 500mg Test E(split 250mg mon/thur)
Week 14: 100mg Clomid
Weeks 15-16: 50mg Clomid

After doing more research I found out starting clomid 21 days after a cycle like this is key to proper recovery as well as taking nolva the day after the last pin, so I am planning on following the 21 days after last pin for clomid and getting a hold of some nolva to take 20mg everyday after last pin until I start clomid, or would you guys suggest I get enough nolva all the way through my clomid as well?
Also I started getting more an more nervous about gyno and have decided to get a hold of some Arimidex to take .25mg every other day while on cycle. Is that being to cautious? I know being ectomorph low bodyfat I may not be prone to gyno, but as of now I have no idea since its my 1st cycle, and don't want to take any chances.
Anyways thanks for any advice, my main question was mostly about whether or not I should get the arimidex and nolva.

[lc1213]

IMO for your first cycle you should only run test ent so you can see how your body will react. If you start having sides or complications while running 2 compounds you won't know which compound is causing it. I would have nolva and chlomid on hand for duration of pct. Having an AI on hand during any cycle should be standard practice. If you have any gyno sides, you don't want to be waiting for your AI to arrive while your gyno gets worse. A dose of .25mg e3d would be suffiecient. I don't know if I am gyno prone but I run .25mg of adex every 3 days to be on the safe side but I also have letro on hand for a just in case scenario. If you choose to run a test only cycle, then you would need to start your pct 14-16 days after your last pin and your pct needs to be no less than 4 weeks. For future reference, always have everything you need to run a cycle including your pct before you start.

[Madslasher]

Thanks for the info lc. Since I already have the gear, just doing the 1-10 weeks of Test E would leave me w/ a bunch of dbol but I guess I could save it for a future cycle if I am happy with the outcome. And PCT seems to be a huge issue with even some experienced juicers. You say no less than 4 weeks, if I was to start the nolva the day after my last 250mg of test e, for 20 days then start 3 weeks of clomid would that be sufficient, or do you mean once I start the clomid I should be on clomid for 4 weeks...which would mean I need a bit more. And or...running nolva the duration of the clomid as well for the 3 or 4 weeks. And yeah I agree with you on having all the stuff for a cycle, I didn't plan on starting it until I receive the arimidex and nolva. Thanks for the advice.

[lc1213]

yea save the dbol for a second or third cycle. i don't know a lot about dbol but i would recommend that when you do use it you will need something to help maintain your liver like milk thistle.

you dont want to start your pct immediately after your last pin when using a long ester steroid like test ent. test ent is a long ester and remains in your system 14-16 days after your last pin. you should start your pct 14-16 days after you last pin, regardless if you use chlomid or nolva or both. if you have nolva and chlomid, you can run the nolva and chlomid simultaneously for a 4 week duration.

[franklin 13]

run only test enth
i would reccomend running it for 12 weeks though since it takes so long to kick in.
start a nolva and clomid pct 14 days after last enth injection. run your ai up to the day before you start pct. a standard pct would be nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50.

[Madslasher]

Sounds like good advice, thanks again.

[songdog]

Sounds like you havnt did much reasearch.Hit the pct section hit the diet section.Learn how to eat.Your gains depend on it and if you want to keep them.Read beginners cycles.Good read.Good luck

[goldenchyld]

IMO for your first cycle you should only run test ent so you can see how your body will react. If you start having sides or complications while running 2 compounds you won't know which compound is causing it. I would have nolva and chlomid on hand for duration of pct. Having an AI on hand during any cycle should be standard practice. If you have any gyno sides, you don't want to be waiting for your AI to arrive while your gyno gets worse. A dose of .25mg e3d would be suffiecient. I don't know if I am gyno prone but I run .25mg of adex every 3 days to be on the safe side but I also have letro on hand for a just in case scenario. If you choose to run a test only cycle, then you would need to start your pct 14-16 days after your last pin and your pct needs to be no less than 4 weeks. For future reference, always have everything you need to run a cycle including your pct before you start.

Good advice!

[Madslasher]

Thanks. And i've done extensive research, and there are about 10,000 opinions and another 10,000 experts. So it really doesn't matter how much you read on websites...asking questions is very beneficial to me personally. Thanks for the advice again guys, going to make sure I have all the loose ends squared away, then give this cycle the green light.

[Windex]

Thanks. And i've done extensive research, and there are about 10,000 opinions and another 10,000 experts. So it really doesn't matter how much you read on websites...asking questions is very beneficial to me personally. Thanks for the advice again guys, going to make sure I have all the loose ends squared away, then give this cycle the green light.

Your going to have to fix your diet and remove things like pasta and subway from your vocabulary, let alone your meal plan. Dieting is the foundation to bodybuilding, it will determine muscle from fat gain, endurance from fatigue, and healthy from unhealthy. Put a typical day for you up in the diet secction and we can easily help you improve upon it. Cycling with a bad diet is a waste of your money and time with lots of risk for little or no return. Secondly, your proposed PCT is not optimal at all. Bodyfat is not the only factor that determines gyno. Yes you need nolvadex and clomid/torem for PCT and your timings are extremely off. I'm in a relatively good mood, so I will throw you a bone.

This is how your cycle should look:

Bloodwork 1-21 days PRIOR TO CYCLE

Week 1-12 Test E 500 mg/week (split into 2 injections Monday Morning + Thursday Evening)
Week 1-12 HCG 500 IU's/week (Split into 2 injections... " ___ ")
Week 1-12 Armidex 0.25 - 0.50 mg EOD OR Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD

PCT BEGINNING 14 DAYS AFTER LAST TEST E INJECTION:

Week 1-6 Tamoxifen @ 40/20/20/20/20/20 mg / Every day
Week 1-6 Torem @ 120/120/60/60/60/60 mg / Every day OR Clomid @ 50/50/25/25/25/25 mg / Every day

Bloodwork 4-5 Weeks AFTER LAST DAY OF PCT

[Brandon12]

Great post windex