First cycle please help

[bennyboi]

i am starting my first cycle soon of Tren and prop...

Not to sure on how much i should be injecting and how often..

I am using nov as a pct

would apreciate anyy!!! help

[Noles12]

Age
Height
Weight
BF%
Training Experience
Cycle Experience

[bennyboi]

20
178cm
83kgs
about 18%
been training ever since school, but solid with a good diet for about a year now
first cycle

[Noles12]

First issue is your age. 20 is far too young to even consider cycling. There are many potential short and long term effects that can occur in someone too young.

Second your bodyfat would be an issue. Higher bf can raise the risk of estrogenic sides.

And finally Tren is not a beginner steroid . It should not be used until a user has experience with a few cycles

[bennyboi]

only reason why i was thinking of using tren was for stripping.. i am still doing lots of research.. thanks for yours advise.

if i was going to do a first cycle to strip any advise?

[Noles12]

Cutting can be achieved easily through proper diet and training.

There is no right way of going about cycling at your age

[bennyboi]

thanks for the help

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ids&highlight=

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[bennyboi]

thanks for the adivse marcus, your other thread helped me out alot aswelll