My first cycle, and probably last...

[Flier]

Ok...
So I´m in week 2 of PCT (6 weeks of Tore/Tamox)

My cycle:
6 months 4,5iu ED HGH, ending next week.
12 weeks of 400-700mgs Cyp
30 Day 20mg Dbol "kickstart"
Ended the cycle with 7 weeks 60mg ED Anavar .
HCG and Aromasin throughout the cycle.

(400-700mgs Cyp because my plan was 450, then I emptied my first bottle too fast??...either because of waste in needle, or inaccurate injection amount. So I ordered another bottle and upped my dosage to 500. I finished the last 2 weeks at 600. However I´m not sure how accurate these numbers are)

The most interesting part is my BW:

Column 1, is 2 weeks into my cycle (450mg Cyp, 20mg Dbol, HCG, 10mg Aromasin)

Column 2, is 5 weeks into cycle (450mg Cyp, HCG, 10 mg Aromasin)

Column 3, is 10 weeks into cycle (500mg cyp, HCG, No Aromasin)
*I decided to stop Aromasin to see what happened to my BW, and gains, mood etc.

Column 4, is 12 weeks into cycle ( Ended last 2 weeks with 700mg Cyp, now on 15mg Aromasin, HCG and on 60mg Anavar)

Column 5, is 18 days after last pin, 4 days after last HCG, 2 days after last Aromasin, still on Anavar for 1 more week.....(Starting PCT)

......................................1.........2. .......3........4........5

Hb..(13.4-17).................15.6.....15.3....15.8....15.3. ...15.3
Hematokrit..(0.40-0.50)...0.47...............0.46....0.44....0.45
HbA1c..(<6.1)................5.4%....5.2%...5.1%.. .
TSH..(0.2-4.0)................2.0.......2.5......2.5.....2.2 ......2.0
T4..(11.0-23.0)...............19.5.....20.6....16.4....23.2. ...24.8
T3..(3.5-6.5)...................5.1.......6.1......5.2..... 4.8......5.6
FSH..(<12).....................<1........<1......< 1......<1......<1
LH..(<12).......................<1........<1...... <1......<1......<1
Prolactin..(<700).............156.......217.....24 2.....201.....120
Estrogen..(<0.18)............0.31......0.32....0.69....0.34....0.14
Test..(8-35)....................45.........40......>50....> 50.....6
SHBG..(8-60)...................6...........5.......17...... .3.........2
Free Test..(2.3-9.9).........79.5......81.2.....29.8....178.6...27.6


I am a very laid back, not moody, pretty lethargic person, and this did not change on my cycle. If anything, I became more lethargic. Thank God for Pre workout sup, or I would not have made it to the Gym many days.

My Libido is generally low after messing with ProHormones 10 years ago. This did not change on cycle.

I never experienced any feeling of a high, as many describes being on AAS.

I gained a total of 20-25 lbs, and look amazing. However, I looked really good before cycle as well, so I guess I look even a little better.
I should have gained more lbs.
#1, I did not eat enough (tried)
#2, unable to work legs the way I should due to my knees are killing me. It hurts like hell, just squatting with no weight, and getting up from bed or couch. Suspect the HGH.

Strength increase....yeah maybe a little, but not what some of u guys are reporting.

Check out the CRAZY free test in column 4, 178,6. A Testosterone bomb, and I felt nothing!!
I actually throughout the cycle had to nap midday which I never do.
I feel much better right now, 2 weeks into PCT.
Almost like the Test. was "toxic" to my body.

Check out how much difference only 10mg Aromasin does!!!!!
Huge hit on SHBG!

Check out Test. in column 5, 6.....That tells me, 18 days is too long to wait for PCT when injecting Cyp. I could have started after 14 days.
What do you think?

I´m ending HGH next week, and are thinking of continuing with Clen . for 4-5 weeks, for its Anti Catabolic affect, and maybe cut a little while retaining muscle.
What do you think?

During my 3 weeks of no Aromasin, my libido was even worse. However I might have lifted a little heavier, or just had a couple of good days in the gym, I don´t know.

If I would do this again, I would do 400mgs C or E for 10 weeks, HCG, and AI on the side.
If I do this again, I will use Pharm. NOTHING ELSE!
I am very unsure about my HGH, I think it is underdosed.
(Gold caps from Denmark, sold to me as 45iu vials. There are also 15iu gold caps out there)
I was also very unsure about my CYP, during the cycle.....column 1 and 2, 40´ies...come on...
That is also a reason why I upped the dosage.
I guess I really don´t have any idea how much Cyp I took.

I might not do this again because......look at all the crap I have put in my body. And I am someone that will rather wait out a headache, rather than taking Tylenol.

Side effects, hair on my shoulders and back, and maybe stomach.

Think thats it.
What you think?
And please answer my Clen question

[songdog]

I know you aint no rookie here.So why are you doing so many compounds Bro?Wats going to happen if you have a bad reaction? You wont know wats causing it and have to scrap the cycle.Then run the problem of finding out which one gave you the problem.Stick to 400mg test.You will grow like a weed.You look good now.Dont make me put a hit out on ya

[Bigd89]

You need some crack-cocaine or somethin....laid back mofo!

[tallguy21]

nice read

[Bulkn]

I recon don't try and cut until a month after PCT, you will risk losing gains.
Nice report btw.

[lovbyts]

It's seems obvious the Aromasin is working because without it your Estrogen is through the roof.

I'm sort of like you. I dont seem to get any high or amazing feeling like a lot of people. I don't get any huge strength gains or any mood swings that I know of. I just went in to have my E2 checked and test levels so we will see if I need an AI or not, maybe that will make a difference?

Next time try to keep it simple. Dont change up mid cycle. You know better. LOL

[Flier]

I know you aint no rookie here.So why are you doing so many compounds Bro?Wats going to happen if you have a bad reaction? You wont know wats causing it and have to scrap the cycle.Then run the problem of finding out which one gave you the problem.Stick to 400mg test.You will grow like a weed.You look good now.Dont make me put a hit out on ya

When the Godfather speaks, everybody listens...and again you´re right!...lol
I will do 400mg test only if I do this again. Not because I had any bad reactions, I just think the Dbol and Anavar was unnecessary. Stacking with HGH I might do though.
The only additional AAS I did to a rookie cycle was Anavar, so I didn´t go Tren/Deca crazy or anything, but can´t really say I saw any difference from the Var.

You need some crack-cocaine or somethin....laid back mofo!

Hahaha......I just saw a program about the San Francisco Crystal Meth scene, and was thinking maybe that sh1t will get me out of the couch.
But since I mentioned Coke, let me disclose that I used pretty heavy in my early twenties, and I have always wondered if I did some damage to my Dopamine receptors. Even if they regrow when the Coke abuse ends, the damage can also be permanent. Kids....don´t do that crap, it ruins so much.
Second, my Ex-wife did a number on me. 1 year after meeting her, my friends said I had changed. The carefree, silly, goofy, dude they knew was gone.
So maybe a combination, the Coke weakened me psychologically, and the bitch finished me off.

nice read

So at least my cycle was good for something...hehe

I recon don't try and cut until a month after PCT, you will risk losing gains.
Nice report btw.

Thanks. Would still like more input on doing 5 weeks of Clen, while eating very well. Clen helps retain muscle? (I will be eating well the next 5 weeks, as I´m going on vacation to FL with all my favorite eateries.). I´ll be ordering the Clen now from Ar-r and have it waiting for me.

It's seems obvious the Aromasin is working because without it your Estrogen is through the roof.

I'm sort of like you. I dont seem to get any high or amazing feeling like a lot of people. I don't get any huge strength gains or any mood swings that I know of. I just went in to have my E2 checked and test levels so we will see if I need an AI or not, maybe that will make a difference?

Next time try to keep it simple. Dont change up mid cycle. You know better. LOL

Haha...yes I know.
The reason for adjusting up the Cyp, is because I really didn´t know how much I was taking, because I suspected it was underdosed. 450mg should give me a higher reading than "40".
Stopping the Aromasin for 3 weeks, was purely an experiment. I really wanted to know what it did to my BW, and I wanted to see if I would feel different.
That Aromasin is some strong stuff.


I will be doing my next BW next week. 2 weeks after starting PCT. Curious to see how the Tore is stimulating my LH.
My balls are hanging/retracting on and off....but like always. Retracting in the morning, with coffee, with preworkout sup, during Workout. Then dropping in the shower, when relaxing, lounging.
I feel good. I must be producing. My libido is weak as always, but my morning /nocturnal erections hard.
Had a really lifelike sexual dream right after starting Tore, with a shorthaired blonde russian girl......Not even my type.....maybe from reading Gixxer´s posts....hope the Tore does not affect my taste in women!!!! I want my Brazilian dreams back!!

[brad herschel]

Research "modifinal" or
"modalert", blasts dopamine, used much
in Afghanistan. Makes you feel good, run longer,
naturally it is barred in international competition.
Easy to get online without script.

[Flier]

Research "modifinal" or
"modalert", blasts dopamine, used much
in Afghanistan. Makes you feel good, run longer,
naturally it is barred in international competition.
Easy to get online without script.

I will, thank you.
I spoke to my Endo about this, and he said Dopamine treatment is some pretty heavy stuff involving the med. use of Amphetamines.

[jimmyinkedup]

I will, thank you.
I spoke to my Endo about this, and he said Dopamine treatment is some pretty heavy stuff involving the med. use of Amphetamines.

Id be careful messing with dopamine. Its sounds great - lowers prolactin , heigtens libido , raises energy levels and more. However resorting to meds or even herbal remedies that increase dopamine seriously messes with the neurological "rewards system" you can find yourself needing to take them for good or else find yourself leading a miserable , lethargic , asexual , essentially monotone existance. As you can tell im not a big fan of messing with dopamine - to each his own but proceed with caution.

[Flier]

Id be careful messing with dopamine. Its sounds great - lowers prolactin , heigtens libido , raises energy levels and more. However resorting to meds or even herbal remedies that increase dopamine seriously messes with the neurological "rewards system" you can find yourself needing to take them for good or else find yourself leading a miserable , lethargic , asexual , essentially monotone existance. As you can tell im not a big fan of messing with dopamine - to each his own but proceed with caution.

Thank you!
And thats more or less what my Endo was trying to say.
I´m ok, very content, life has been good to me. I´m just never "Happy".
Being with my last GF was a awakening experience.
She was happy for the slights little thing, a sweet Papaya in the morning, a bird resting outside our window, a beautiful sunset, staying overnight at a hotel.

The Sunset; she would truly soak it up, and feel the happiness/joy throughout every fibre of her body.
I could "see" the sunset, but "feel" absolutely nothing.
Pisses me off, and I told her and complimented her for it all the time.

I make a lot more $ than her, but I can´t buy what she has.

[kbm12345]

I will, thank you.
I spoke to my Endo about this, and he said Dopamine treatment is some pretty heavy stuff involving the med. use of Amphetamines.

Hey, i have been prescribed modainil by the doc for day time sleepiness, still have not bought it coz its expensive as fuuu. Plus not many studies have been done on its side effects and its even not known how it works inside the body.

And also i think my dopamine is screwed possibly from heavy ecstasy use from a fwe years ago. I have tested this by smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for 2 months then quiting cold turkey, and not a single craving. Which is extremely strange.

Another thing that i have looked into, when in high school we tested for introversion or extroversion personalilty and mine was right in the middle. But i have read something about introvert being very sensitive to dopamine, still need to look into this more though.

[Flier]

Hey, i have been prescribed modainil by the doc for day time sleepiness, still have not bought it coz its expensive as fuuu. Plus not many studies have been done on its side effects and its even not known how it works inside the body.

And also i think my dopamine is screwed possibly from heavy ecstasy use from a fwe years ago. I have tested this by smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for 2 months then quiting cold turkey, and not a single craving. Which is extremely strange.

Another thing that i have looked into, when in high school we tested for introversion or extroversion personalilty and mine was right in the middle. But i have read something about introvert being very sensitive to dopamine, still need to look into this more though.

I googled it.
Like u said, not a lot of research.
Sometimes it´s better to live with a condition, rather than experimenting to fix it.
Would be fun to do a extrovert/introvert test to see where I´m at.

[Flier]

BW is in from 2 weeks into PCT (120mg Tore/20mg Tamox)

FSH...<1 (<12)
LH.....<1 (<12)
Test...2.3 (8-35)
Estro..0.06 (<0.18)
SHBG..13 (8-60)

Hmmm...WTF?
Shouldn't FSH and LH have responded to the PCH meds. already?

[gp170]

why was the estrogen so high if you were taking aromasin ? the chart says <.18 you were almost double that while on aromasin. Only in column 5 did it drop below .18.

[dec11]

wait a min, you gained 20-25lbs and you're complaining you didnt enough to gain more?!

[dec11]

It's seems obvious the Aromasin is working because without it your Estrogen is through the roof.

I'm sort of like you. I dont seem to get any high or amazing feeling like a lot of people. I don't get any huge strength gains or any mood swings that I know of. I just went in to have my E2 checked and test levels so we will see if I need an AI or not, maybe that will make a difference?

Next time try to keep it simple. Dont change up mid cycle. You know better. LOL

ive never heard of anyone getting 'high' on AAS and im guessing anyone who describes them like that has never been high lol

[Bonaparte]

I don't really see what you're complaining about.
If its because you used too many drugs, then keep it simpler next time.