Getting impatient and desperate

[Inquisitor]

OK.... I've posted this on the board before and think that I've narrowed my problem down. I am 53 years old, 6 ft. tall, and started my cycle of 500 mg/wk (TEST E) at 175 lbs. After reading some posts here, I decided to take 25 mg of aromasin EOD. My cycle seemed to start slow, as would be expected from TEST E. In my fourth week I noticed some strength and a small amount of size increase, but nothing like I did for my first cycle of 400 mg/wk Test E (this is my 2nd cycle). My libido was strong from the start and I was halfway satisfied until week 6 when I actually ran out of aromasin. At that point my libido dropped, although my dick can get hard and is a good size. It will go soft quickly during sex at times. I have become very lethargic to the point of skipping two workouts. I can see that I'm losing muscle and all vascularity.

It has been about week now, since I've not taken any estrogen blockers and I really don't see a lot of progress. Usually, libido is a good indicator and that isn't budging.

Here are the possible reasons this is happening....

1) Estro and cholesterol was knocked down so low that I can't build muscle or have energy. This sounds to be the most logical explanation because early in my cycle, I was wondering why I wasn't bulking like my 1st cycle. The reason was probably cause I was taking aromasin on this cycle which was not only preventing bloating but also inhibiting muscle growth due to low estrogen. I am finding out through cycling that I am not prone to gyno and really do not need to take EI's on cycle to control it, like some people do.

2) This is homebrewed TEST E, so it could be that the powder I ordered was not great and my dosage is low. This is not so probable because when I was wondering why I wasn't bulking as fast as the 1st cycle, I actually upped my dosage from 250 mg/ 1/2 week (my mid week injection) to a 300 mg injection and I felt very irritable and higher blood pressure. So, I was getting all the negative health signs of high test except for the gains and strength.

3) I could say that the Aromasin was keeping my high estro down and now it's out of control, but I don't have high estro signs. The only thing that makes me consider the aromasin as a reason is because this started directly after I quit it. Just confusing as hell.
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I have this blend on hand :

EQC 5Hundred

Each 10ml Vial contains
200mg/ml Testosterone Cypionate
100mg/ml Trenbolone Enanthate
200mg/ml Boldenone Undeclynate

I know this stuff is good and I am getting so desperate that I keep wondering if it would be OK to just start taking this to finish my cycle. I am so pissed off to be 1) struggling in the gym to get modest gains, and 2) losing what the hell that I already built. F@#$ !!

Can someone take the time to give some really solid analysis and advice here ??

[gixxerboy1]

i would say your diet isnt helping your gains. at 6ft and 175 after 1 cycle something isnt right.

I would not switch to the other bottle.

[Pac Man]

Are you running the tren or have you?
I would swap out the aromasin for armidex. It does seem odd that you're getting these effects after discontinuing aromasin without any other estrogen sides. I
Honestly don't touch AI's until week 4-6 or when I start to notice estrogen sides.
That's one hell of a blend. Save it for another day.
Here's a question, how's your diet?

[Inquisitor]

I'll be totally honest here.... My diet was good until this crap started happening and basically lost all incentive and went on a small rampage, eating some sweets and a few things like fried chicken, etc. But, like I said, this has all happened in the last week with only about ten bad meals in that time. You see, I normally eat good even when not on cycle. I will splurge at times and I surely did this last week. That 175 was down because I lost about 8 lbs. from my first cycle. Had a 6-7 month layoff between cycles.

Maybe I am being impatient here. How long should it take for my estrogen to rebound ? Also, do you lose your libido when estrogen is too low ??

[stpete]

Well it seems pretty clear to me. You didn't take aromasin during your first cycle, and you did on your second and now these problems arise. I'd stay away from the aromasin if it were me and only take it if absolutely needed. Give it a little more time since it's only been a week.
As Gixxerboy said, i wouldn't start on the other bottle just yet. Plus, it's a blend and i'm not too fond of those to begin with.
Good luck.

[Inquisitor]

Does low estrogen cause a man to lose libido ? This is a huge question that could save me some precious time here. Should there be an optimum balance that needs to be achieved to have a high libido? I use libido as a big indicator here because I feel that is the one indicator in a test cycle that should be present.

Also... please tell me any negatives you see with blends, sir. Thanks.

[gixxerboy1]

Does low estrogen cause a man to lose libido ? This is a huge question that could save me some precious time here. Should there be an optimum balance that needs to be achieved to have a high libido? I use libido as a big indicator here because I feel that is the one indicator in a test cycle that should be present.

Also... please tell me any negatives you see with blends, sir. Thanks.

yes low estro will cause a lose in libido

[Hazard]

EDIT: Misread 1st post.....

~Haz~

[Inquisitor]

yes low estro will cause a lose in libido

Halleluljah !! That's another piece to the puzzle saying that I killed my estrogen. I wish I knew what I had to eat, do, or take to get it back faster. I'm almost assured that's what happened.

[Flier]

Halleluljah !! That's another piece to the puzzle saying that I killed my estrogen. I wish I knew what I had to eat, do, or take to get it back faster. I'm almost assured that's what happened.

25mg Aromasin EOD is a megadose.
If u did BW while on that dose, u would see SHBG at value 1, free test through the roof...like 50 times normal free test, and Estro very low.

[Inquisitor]

25mg Aromasin EOD is a megadose.
If u did BW while on that dose, u would see SHBG at value 1, free test through the roof...like 50 times normal free test, and Estro very low.

So, please break that down into layman terms. What symptoms does that translate into and what should I do NOW ?? Please help. thank you in advance.

By the way, I wanted to do half, but the pills were so little and brittle that I crushed one when I put it in a pill cutter.

[Flier]

Not much u can do, but finish your cycle.
You are in like, week 8 now, right, just 2 more weeks to go.

U used 25 mg Aromasin EOD while the long ester was still building up, so u killed your estrogen and freed up a lot of test.
your Free test after 4 weeks when the E was maximized, was probably in the thousands pg/mL (if u use US scale)
Then after ending Aromasin, it´s effect diminishes slowly, about a week. Your Estrogen about triples, and your Free test now half of what it was.
The fluctuations is what a chick experiences during her period....x10
So there is a lot of rocking the boat, and I think that´s what u´re feeling. You just need to let yourself settle with the 500mgs Test for the remainder.

Imo, you´re not suffering strength gains, but u´re having mood problems, and it´s reflecting in your willingness to push yourself in the gym.
Get som preworkout sup., ignore the bitch in you, and go to the gym, focusing on kicking ass.

I think you and everybody else should do BW while on cycle. Don´t understand why u don´t. U get a clear picture on what´s going on in there, and will be so much more educated for your next cycle.

[Inquisitor]

You're so close to being "spot on" that it's not even debatable. I can make sense of everything you're saying. Do you mean a normal blood work profile, or one from an endo with hormone levels ?

[Flier]

You're so close to being "spot on" that it's not even debatable. I can make sense of everything you're saying. Do you mean a normal blood work profile, or one from an endo with hormone levels ?

Does it matter who u get it from?
Don't they all send your blood to Quest diagnostics or something. (I presume u´re in the US?)
Not sure what a "normal" blood work profile consists of, but any doc can order whatever u want.
I love BW. Check it more often than I check the oil in my car.
Now, on vacation in the US, I´ll be swinging by a clinic to draw.
Very interesting since on PCT now, to see how the PCT meds are working.

[Inquisitor]

I know the blood test my MD gives me and the one I get from the anti-aging doctor are two different profiles by far. The anti-aging profile is a saliva tests for hormone levels, amongst other things. The MD profile is a check for cholesterol, lipids, liver enzymes, etc. My estrogen and stuff like that would show up on the hormone profile, I'm sure.

BTW,... thank you very much for your help. You really opened my eyes to what is happening. It all makes a lot more sense now. I know what to do now, but it's more important for my future. Thanks again.

[lovbyts]

Yes of course he means to get your hormone levels check, Test, E2 etc. Your normal MD can also do these, you just have to request it.

Are you splitting your 500mg a week up into 2 shots? Another thing you can try to keep the spikes down and E2 is split it up into 4 or ever day injections if you dont mind. Less Test spike less E2 conversion.

[Inquisitor]

Yes, I am doing two injects per week. Actually, if I am understanding you correctly, less spikes means less conversion of test to estrogen. Right now, I want to create estrogen. I am way low from all the aromasin I've been taking. That's pretty much what we're figuring out. I can feel myself getting a bit better each day. And "First Timer" was right, I was really edgy and bitchy when it got low. I hated our recent vacation we took. All I did was blow my top with the kids when they complained. He nailed this thing.

[lovbyts]

Yes but you dont want rebound where it spikes up past where it should be and you are in the same situation you are now but with to high of E2. It's better to let it go up slowly and naturally instead of a big spike.

[Inquisitor]

I HAVE AN UPDATE

I haven't fully comeback yet, but I can feel myself working in that direction. I actually got up and went to the gym today and had a decent workout. Felt good and realized what "First Timer 42" was trying to tell me. I didn't lose much strength, just that my estrogen was so low it made me feel really bad. I didn't want to touch weights and had no drive to do anything. Well, today at the gym, I was even taking breaks by the window to watch the mommas going to the yogurt store next door and fantasizing about giving them my own personal workout. Yeah !! I'm coming back boys !! Slowly..... but surely. Even getting my "Barry White Voice" back. Thanks to all of you who recognized the problem and put me on the right track, especially First Timer 42 for "nailing it" and Marcus for taking my PMs.

I'll update as my situation progresses.

[lovbyts]

Good to hear. Yeah this place is great and some of these guys give great advice. They may not always be 100% but they also always say to get your blood work done, get checked by a professional and give their personal experiences that are usually spot on. You wont find a site better dedicated to trying to help to do the right thing for the right reason. The people who get upset are the ones who want to do the they think is right disregarding what the masses try to tell them. Most of the time those are the one who come back later with problem or complaining nothing is working. LOL

Good luck and keep up posted on the improvements so others can learn.