1st cycle, any good?

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 04:33 AM

I want to start a test deca 12 week cycle at

250 test
200 deca

Can anyone advise me on wether or not to do both at the same time 3 times a week as I'm not sure if this correct. Also any pct advice for after this cycle would be helpful

**lovbyts** · 07-05-2011, 04:36 AM

Some self education would be usefull also instead of expecting to get spoon feed. This is not like your home where mommy makes you whatever you want. This is like school where you have to open the books and do some reading

How about some stats
Age
Height
Weight
body fat
diet
workout experience
cycle use

**Times Roman** · 07-05-2011, 05:00 AM

and in addition to that, it is advisable to always first cycle with test only so you can really understand what that does to your body, BEFORE you start stacking with other gear. Knowledge about your body is key if you want to get ahead in this game. plus you are still very young, so you should go slowly, and use aas sparingly.
the cycle you posted above is all wrong. follow lovbyts advice and do some reading/learning before you begin experimenting on yourself. no sense in doing this thing blindly when there are very good road maps already available on the board showing you pretty much everything you need to know.

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 05:15 AM

Not asking to be spoon feed info, from reading others forum posts I've seen that running test on it's own isn't the best way to go about it. I did find a helpful post a few months back but have lost where it was but from what I read on there about a first cycle, it was running test e and d-bol.

As for pct, I know about taking clomid but I'm not sure of what doses to take it in and how many times a week.

I've come on here hoping to hear from others on how they did their first cycle. I've been reading forum posts for a good few months now and although they have been useful I still am not sure about the pct and doses.

Age 26
6'1
175lbs
Diet is good
Training for over a year

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 07:09 AM

Any suggestion on how much dosage I should take and how many times a week?

**lovbyts** · 07-05-2011, 07:17 AM

Here is a good place to start and if you do a little reading it will answer most of your basic question and a lot more.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...evised-Edition

**Matt** · 07-05-2011, 07:28 AM

Your diet needs vast improvement before you begin a course of aas, without the correct diet your just wasting your time...

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 08:51 AM

I had a read through of that forum. Still not sure on the dose I should take if say I did do test e deca cycle

**lovbyts** · 07-05-2011, 08:57 AM

OK I will make this part simple for you. FORGET the deca . That's #1 If you had read any of what I told you then you would realize that a beginner cycle (yes you are a beginner) would be Test only. Not test and??? just test. Now with a little more reading those sticky notes at the top and a few other post on this page with the heading similar to yours (there are 100,000s) 1st cycle you will get an idea of what is suggested.

As Matt has said also, without proper diet it's a waste all the way around.

**Windex** · 07-05-2011, 09:12 AM

Your diet is not good and you are not ready for AAS. Over 6ft means you need to be able to get to ~200 lbs naturally.

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 09:25 AM

Can I ask why you dont do deca . Sry if its annoying but it's hard to find these answers even after going quite a few posts

**themoreyouknow** · 07-05-2011, 09:26 AM

you are very light for your weight. i think you could easily gain 15lb WITHOUT the aid of AAS. just eat!

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 09:38 AM

I know about eating, currently on 9 meals a day and it's not like I haven't gained Wight. I was 155lbs when I first started. I am determined to do a cycle and I'm trying to arm myself with as much knowledge as possible before I start. The reason I asked about the test deca cycle was due to the gyms from my gym. All have run test e 12 weeks deca 10 weeks and also used anabol tablets for 6 weeks.

I came on here as I wanted a different point of view as when I have spoken to the lads at the gym most didn't even know what pct was and the 2 thatdid said they just ran deca for an extra 4 weeks after their last test e.

From reading up on these forums i now know that the pct is the most important thing.

I mean all I'm asking really is why deca is a bad choice to start with and really about what sort of dosage I should be doing

**kluska399** · 07-05-2011, 09:50 AM

deca is not a bad choice att all. but is a bad choice for YOU right NOW. its ur first cycle and say you start getting chest pains , you dont know if its the test or the deca so u dont really know what to stop.

when you cycle always build on the compounds. start with test, then the next cycle do test and decca, then the next do test decca and dbol .. and so on

the reason why no one will tell you how much to run is because they dont think youre ready - which youre not

but its not like you arent going to do it just because no one on forum.steroid will tell you how.

250mg is very low and probbably wont do much of anything for you. youll probly wanna start with 500mg for 10 weeks of test e.

pct should be 2 weeks after your last shot, run 2 different serms that work very well together , nolva and clomid. (GO TO THE SERMS SECTION AND READ)

**kluska399** · 07-05-2011, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by bigandveiny

I know about eating, currently on 9 meals a day and it's not like I haven't gained Wight. I was 155lbs when I first started. I am determined to do a cycle and I'm trying to arm myself with as much knowledge as possible before I start. The reason I asked about the test deca cycle was due to the gyms from my gym. All have run test e 12 weeks deca 10 weeks and also used anabol tablets for 6 weeks.

I came on here as I wanted a different point of view as when I have spoken to the lads at the gym most didn't even know what pct was and the 2 thatdid said they just ran deca for an extra 4 weeks after their last test e.

From reading up on these forums i now know that the pct is the most important thing.

I mean all I'm asking really is why deca is a bad choice to start with and really about what sort of dosage I should be doing

luckily for the human population the misuse of steroids will not let you have kids. its sort of like an evolution type thing. those idiots wont be able to spread their idiotic genes any longer. lol

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 10:55 AM

Thanks for the info

I know I could keep training for another 2 3 years and gain it nat but The bottom line is I don't wanna wait that long. I understand that it really pisses some ppl off that have struggled for years getting themselves to their peak and do respect the opions of them.

But as I've said determined to do it, and will look into doing the test 10 week cycle rather than running deca with it

**pheenyx1** · 07-05-2011, 11:42 AM

You should really listen to people here about the deca . No one is trying to stop you from getting big. AAS are complicated, powerful compounds that everyones body reacts to differently. We all choose to take the risks involved b/c we want the benefits, which is ok, but we need to do it responsibly. You have no idea how your body is going to react to either thed test or the deca. Start w/ just test. Find out how you react. You will love the results. Or do both, run into problems and have to shut your cycle down. Waste your money. Deal w/ pct having accomplished nothing. No skin off our backs. I'm on my first cycle of test only. LOVE it! Thank god I let people here guide me.

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 02:23 PM

yeah think i'm gonna do the test e only cycle for 10 weeks at 500 mg a week

having a look into the pct atm, although i see some people have emotional problems with clomid so gonna probs do the nolva for 4 weeks

If there is any problems with the above then please let me know as i do appreciate the input

**Pac Man** · 07-05-2011, 02:51 PM

Looks good little padawan.

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 03:00 PM

1 other thing, planning on running the test at 250 mg Monday and 250 mg thursday

The pct 40/40/20/20 clomid

If theres anything i should add to the pct lemme know

**Pac Man** · 07-05-2011, 03:06 PM

Clomid seems a little low for my likings.
I like clomid 100/50/50/35
Nolva 20/20/20/20/20 or 40/40/20/20

**bigandveiny** · 07-05-2011, 03:16 PM

cheers bud

**pheenyx1** · 07-05-2011, 03:33 PM

Look into hcg in cycle as well. Keeps you from ever completely shutting down and attrifying, so when you start pct your hpta (look it up) comes back online quicker.
Good decision on the deca .

**Juelzz** · 07-05-2011, 09:15 PM

Listen man im 6ft also and weighed 150lbs a few years ago and i wanted to do AAS but i knew if i couldnt eat enough to weight more there was no point. Now through working out hard and eating as much as possible with an extremely high metabolism i got to 200lbs. Im not telling you what you should do but i chose to hit 200 before i started my first cycle and am glad i did.

**lovbyts** · 07-05-2011, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by bigandveiny

Can I ask why you dont do deca. Sry if its annoying but it's hard to find these answers even after going quite a few posts

OK let me try this again. The most important reason not to use deca is the same reason not to use tren , not to use NPP, not to use EQ, not to use Masteron etc. Because when you are starting something it's best to start basic and only use ONE product so you and your body can get use to it and you will know what to expect. Some people have a hard time even with Test alone. Some get great gains from 300mg, some need more. Some get gyno if they use over 400 or 500mg, some nothing. Some people get gyno from Deca or deca dick, some dont. It's best to start with test, see what kind of gains you get and keep. See how your body react. Next cycle if you where happy with the 1st cycle do the exact same thing again, no reason to add to it until you are looking for slightly different results and go from there.