1st test-e and dbol cycle and some questions

[misc151]

Here is the info:
Age 37
Weight 210
Height 6'3"
BF 11%
Lifting seriously in the last 4 years but on /off since college (11yrs) total lifting.
I used to run 2 cycles of PH, 4 weeks of mdrol and 4 weeks of epi - different time period with pct, and ancillaries. I usually try to do my homework first before I jumped into any cycle.

I have been doing my research on aas and saw this board, never sign up; just lurking.
This is what I am thinking to run:
weeks 1-12 500mg Test E (split into 250mg Mon and Thurs)
weeks 1-4 20-40mg Dbol /day <-- not sure how much yet, might start with 20

pct:
weeks 14-17 40/20/20/20 nolva

above are the stuff that I already got on hand and can get more if need it. Now my question are:
- do I need cycle support for the 1st 4 weeks since dbol harsh on liver? (already have it)
- do I need to add clomid? (read different opinion on this) - thinking weeks 14-17 100/50/50/50 clomid
- do I need arimidex as well? (read different opinion on this as well) - might get it just in case
- is hcg needed? I read unless I run cycles often, I wouldnt need this. The most I could do is 2 cycle a year.

diet: really clean, currently on layne norton diet with 2800 cal/day. will go up to 4000 cal/day on this cycle

workout: 5 days/week.
I will run the cycle in september, I am just trying to get as much as info possible now

Thanks for the answer.

[Str8Jakked]

- do I need cycle support for the 1st 4 weeks since dbol harsh on liver? (already have it)
- do I need to add clomid? (read different opinion on this) - thinking weeks 14-17 100/50/50/50 clomid
- do I need arimidex as well? (read different opinion on this as well) - might get it just in case
- is hcg needed? I read unless I run cycles often, I wouldnt need this. The most I could do is 2 cycle a year.

The cycle is fine but in my opinion, 20mg of Dbol is useless- 40mg is fine.

I like 600mg of ALA and 2400mg of NAC daily while on orals.

Yes, Clomid and Nolva will be beneficial.

Have A-Dex on hand in case you need it and/or you could also run it low dose at .25 mg every other day from the onset if you chose to.

While some will say it is not ABSOLUTELY necessary, I feel that you should run HCG throughout the cycle.

[misc151]

Thanks Str8Jakked, definitely will consider that, any other advice?

[binsser]

im on the test e but didnt bother wth dbol cause of the water bloat issue its just 2 much m8 but you might be alright!

[misc151]

thx binsser , i'll remember that.

[stpete]

Cycle's good.
D-Bol @ 40 split throughout the day
Add Clomid
HCG if needed imo

[misc151]

Thx stpete, how do you split the dbol ? 20mg morning and 20mg pwo?

[songdog]

Yes looks good bro.But add clomid and have a ai on hand.I would run my diet by the boyz in the diet section.Only beacuse its more important than the aas.You can grow without aas but you wont w/o a good diet.After all you want to get the most out of your cycle right?

[Windex]

(1) Post diet in the diet section to see if your good to go
(2) Drop Dbol
(3) HCG twice a week @ 500 IU's total. (Not optional - there is zero reason to give yourself risk when it's not needed and HCG is cheap cheap cheap)
(4) Whether you run Arimidex or Aromasin makes no difference. Pick one and on your second cycle use the other. See which of the two is better for yourself as everyone is different.
(5) Run Torem not Clomid. PCT should be 6 weeks not 4 weeks. Set up in this fashion. Nolva = 40/20/20/20/20/20. Torem = 120/120/60/60/60/60

[misc151]

Yes looks good bro.But add clomid and have a ai on hand.I would run my diet by the boyz in the diet section.Only beacuse its more important than the aas.You can grow without aas but you wont w/o a good diet.After all you want to get the most out of your cycle right?

will do songdog, seems like clomid is important and I'll have a-dex on hand. couldnt agree more about the diet. This is why I give myself plenty of time before I start so everything is in order. Thx

[misc151]

(1) Post diet in the diet section to see if your good to go
(2) Drop Dbol
(3) HCG twice a week @ 500 IU's total. (Not optional - there is zero reason to give yourself risk when it's not needed and HCG is cheap cheap cheap)
(4) Whether you run Arimidex or Aromasin makes no difference. Pick one and on your second cycle use the other. See which of the two is better for yourself as everyone is different.
(5) Run Torem not Clomid. PCT should be 6 weeks not 4 weeks. Set up in this fashion. Nolva = 40/20/20/20/20/20. Torem = 120/120/60/60/60/60

Thx Windex, definitely will stop by in diet section. May I ask why drop Dbol?

And will check on hcg and torem.

[Windex]

Thx Windex, definitely will stop by in diet section. May I ask why drop Dbol ?

And will check on hcg and torem.

Dbol is just going to bloat you and it's better to see how you react strictly to test. Test is going to be in every cycle you do, so having a thorough understanding of how you can tolerate it will be beneficial to future cycles. If your looking to kickstart your cycle your better off frontloading with Test Prop or Test Suspension.

[smashingbox]

Windex is an obese 19 year old who has read a couple of pages on the forum and now speaks like he knows from experience, take everything he says with a grain of salt.

[Windex]

Windex is an obese 19 year old who has read a couple of pages on the forum and now speaks like he knows from experience, take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Last time I checked my birth certificate, I'm 20. Secondly, I'm pretty sure 177 lbs @ 17% bodyfat is not considered obese. In addition, I'd hardly call reading every educational thread thrice a "couple of pages". If your going to flame someone, gonna have to try harder.

P.S. - I managed to lose over 50 lbs and nearly 15% bodyfat. I also compiled an entire thread for newcomers about dieting found here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.ThXKE2Gk_To

I also actively try to talk young people who post dairly here at my age group to avoid AAS and help people daily in the diet section as shown from my post history.

What have you done for this board since you joined ?

[stpete]

Windex is an obese 19 year old who has read a couple of pages on the forum and now speaks like he knows from experience, take everything he says with a grain of salt.

This doesn't help the OP at all i'm sure he couldn't care less about your comment. Have a problem w/Windex? PM him.

[Windex]

Thx Windex, definitely will stop by in diet section. May I ask why drop Dbol ?

And will check on hcg and torem.

Your welcome, the vets in the diet section would be more than happy to help. I believe in Swifto's PCT Q&A thread on page 3 or 4 he explains why Torem is arguably better than Clomid. In any case, Nolva + Clomid or Nolva + Torem will strictly be better than nolva alone.

[Noles12]

I see nothing wrong with the dbol . Just go with the 40 mgs/day. I prefer it because those first few weeks you wont notice much from the test.

[dangelo755]

just wondering, but why do ppl who dont do steroids and give advice on this forum?

i mean no offense to the WHATSOEVER but im new to this forum . i thought everyone on here would be using and could give experience adivce.?

[smashingbox]

Because it is the Internet and EVERYONE is an expert right?

According to Windex HCG at 500ui per week is not optional, no other way to take it, no other dosage, FACT... From a guy with 17% bodyfat who weighs nothing, is 20 year old and has 0 cycles and is such an expert that he advises 'younger members' and considers himself a hero for all his 'contributions'.

[Windex]

Because it is the Internet and EVERYONE is an expert right?

According to Windex HCG at 500ui per week is not optional, no other way to take it, no other dosage, FACT... From a guy with 17% bodyfat who weighs nothing, is 20 year old and has 0 cycles and is such an expert that he advises 'younger members' and considers himself a hero for all his 'contributions'.

At no point did I say a different dose wasn't optional, I said the inclusion of HCG should not be optional. I also did not state I am a hero or expert.

You also failed to answer my question of what you have done for the forum. Done arguing with you.

Stop de-railing this thread.

[binsser]

^^^^^^^^^^ agreed just stick to the question at hand if he were wrong anyway he would be fastly corrected so lets get back on the topic this isnt facebook boolocks m8 so shut it up now yeah!!!