Best Leaning out / Cutting Steroids

[Kali-sheesh]

Originally Posted by Kali-sheesh
Hi
Was wondering if any one can help

I weight about 164lbs and work out everday .... with cardio on sundays .... i havve had the same diet practicse for 1 year as well as work out regime

I want to go on my first cycle and looking to leaning out and getting cut.
What would be a good first cycle ?
Would the following be good for cutting up and leaning out?
Winstrol
Anavar
Trenbolone
and Testosterone Propriate

I think i would like to start off with the Anavar and winstrol

any suggestions?>
thanks

[Boltfan909]

Well man, unless your are 5'1'', you should be shredded to the BONE at 164.

Whats your bf%, height? age?

I hate to fall in line of the cookie cutting format of the height/bf%/age thing, but man based on that post you seem no where near ready for any steroids.

Oh yea, do NOT run tren as your first cycle..

[songdog]

And by the sound of it.You dont have a clue as to wat you are doing.Research bro.Learn all you can about wat you are putting in your body.

[funkymonk]

-1 year is not long enough
-Unless you're sub 10% @ 164lbs, you really should be adding more mass
-Always always use test as a base

[Kali-sheesh]

so what would be a good starting cycle?
my buddy who has been on roids for some time now .... suggests T400 and Anadrol.

How about D-bol in pill form?
I also have the suppliment products to help protect the liver
such as
Milk Thistle
ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid)
Liv-52


any comments?

[Kali-sheesh]

what about testerone(injectibles) and Dianabol(oral)

Lets say 8 weeks of testosterone at 500mg per week
and 4 weeks of Dianabol at 25mg daily

so example
I would inject testerone on monday at 250ml and on thursday at 250ml ......making it for 500 per week

my question is when do i take d-bol
do i take it after the 8 week cycle of testerone for 4weeks only or
do i take it on tuesday and wednesday at the same same time/week im on testerone?

[Sicko]

[Misery13]

we need your stats first....no one will answer you until we have your full stats and history...

age...
sex...
height...
weight...
BF%...
years of training...
example diet...
supplements used...
cycle experience...
anything that you feel would be important....

[Kali-sheesh]

im a male 27 , wieght is 27 , height about 5'8
i been working out for 2 years .... havent measured my BF% yet

supplemnets used would be mostly prework out stuff lkie 1mr , jacked, juice and just protien quick mass.

[HALTEH]

lol.

[cb714]

It sounds like you don't know what you want. First you want to get shreded and then you start talking about dbol. Dude, you really need to read up before doing anything.... And being 5'8" at 165 lbs how much more do you expect to lose??? You need to do some serious research.

[Iamnewtothis]

Okay this looks like a good place to ask I am 39 204 lbs BF % is 14% training for 4 years this time took a break for a few years (got lazy and discourged) I am looking to do a first cycle....I have a question I have found only dbol for gear hence wanting to a dbol only any suggestions on this or help on suplements to stack with it....I use now Super pump max and Protien....I eat clean minus 1 day a week....I do MMA training for my cardio HELP a NEWB please ty

[X83]

Best Steroids to Lean Out:
1) Primobolan
2) Anavar
3) Winstrol
4) Testosterone Propionate
5) Trenbolone
6) Masteron

[ata1979]

That list should read more like this

1) Anavar
2) Winstrol
3) Masteron
4) Primpbolan
5) Test P
6) Tren

Iwould put Test P and Tren at the bottom of this list because of water retention. The two are not comparable to the first four.

[scribbs12]

a cycle with test p tren a mast and anavar should do wonders.

[The Titan99]

This thread is sapping IQ points from my brain....

[Bonaparte]

This thread is sapping IQ points from my brain....

I actually just felt my blood pressure shoot up 20 points. I'm out...

[X83]

That list should read more like this

Actually it was in order for the best benefit with the least side effects.

[The Titan99]

That list should read more like this

1) Anavar
2) Winstrol
3) Masteron
4) Primpbolan
5) Test P
6) Tren

Iwould put Test P and Tren at the bottom of this list because of water retention. The two are not comparable to the first four.

I whole heartedly agree. Stack all that stuff there in the beginning. That'll sort you right out. Throw some of that dbol in there too, what the hell.....

BTW, don't listen to this guy, he's a moron!!

[Bonaparte]

That list should read more like this

1) Anavar
2) Winstrol
3) Masteron
4) Primpbolan
5) Test P
6) Tren

Iwould put Test P and Tren at the bottom of this list because of water retention. The two are not comparable to the first four.

Tren causes water retention? Please explain. I'm all ears

[ata1979]

The only moron is a guy who believes that Tren and Test P are better cutters than Winstrol and Anavar. And you should read before yoıu answer, better yet comprehend before you answer. I didn't say stack everything, I just listed the AAS that I thought were the best cutters from my experience of use. If your too cool to answer a question or add your advice then don't. If you wanna make fun of people or just call people a moron for sharing there experiences don't. This is a civilized information sharing environment, noone is forcing you to write. If you don't agree with what I say, just say so and list the reasons why. You should learn some manners before you hit your next cycle my friend.

I'm not the authority and I don't claim to be but I have more than enough cycles under my belt to be able to help a noob.

[Bonaparte]

The only moron is a guy who believes that Tren and Test P are better cutters than Winstrol and Anavar. And you should read before yoıu answer, better yet comprehend before you answer. I didn't say stack everything, I just listed the AAS that I thought were the best cutters from my experience of use. If your too cool to answer a question or add your advice then don't. If you wanna make fun of people or just call people a moron for sharing there experiences don't. This is a civilized information sharing environment, noone is forcing you to write. If you don't agree with what I say, just say so and list the reasons why. You should learn some manners before you hit your next cycle my friend.

I'm not the authority and I don't claim to be but I have more than enough cycles under my belt to be able to help a noob.

When you're done with your rant, would you mind answering my question? Thanks.

[ata1979]

Tren does cause some water retention. A lot less than Test but more than the Var, Winny, Mast and Primo.

[Bonaparte]

Tren does cause some water retention. A lot less than Test but more than the Var, Winny, Mast and Primo.

No.
Sure, it doesn't actually antagonize estrogen and dry you out like Winstrol will, but it cannot aromatise and does not increase water retention through any other mechanisms.
Oh, and its probably the most effective drug ever for cutting/recomp, though it isn't as good of a hardener as Winstrol.

[Honkey_Kong]

I whole heartedly agree. Stack all that stuff there in the beginning. That'll sort you right out. Throw some of that dbol in there too, what the hell.....

BTW, don't listen to this guy, he's a moron!!

Don't forget to slam heroin and chase it all down with some Grey Goose.

[Honkey_Kong]

Tren does cause some water retention. A lot less than Test but more than the Var, Winny, Mast and Primo.

Do us all a favour and not advise anyone on steroid use.

[ata1979]

Napoleon, I really enjoy reading your posts. You seem like a very knowledgable guy and could be a mentor to a lotta young guys on this forum. You should really cut down this know-it-all attitude and I know I'm not the first to tell you this.

We are all students here. I'm sure I could learn alot from you but there's also a couple things I'm sure I could enlighten you on as well.

[Honkey_Kong]

Napoleon, I really enjoy reading your posts. You seem like a very knowledgable guy and could be a mentor to a lotta young guys on this forum. You should really cut down this know-it-all attitude and I know I'm not the first to tell you this.

We are all students here. I'm sure I could learn alot from you but there's also a couple things I'm sure I could enlighten you on as well.

You're advisement on tren is wrong.. From this very steroids.com site you could look this up:

"Trenbolone is also a highly androgenic hormone, when compared with testosterone, which has an androgenic ratio of 100; trenbolones androgenic ratio is an astonishing 500. Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus reducing water and under the skin. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a fat loss agent. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone.

Read more: http://www.steroid.com/Trenbolone.php#ixzz1UVxSpXrS
"

[The Titan99]

The only moron is a guy who believes that Tren and Test P are better cutters than Winstrol and Anavar. And you should read before yoıu answer, better yet comprehend before you answer. I didn't say stack everything, I just listed the AAS that I thought were the best cutters from my experience of use. If your too cool to answer a question or add your advice then don't. If you wanna make fun of people or just call people a moron for sharing there experiences don't. This is a civilized information sharing environment, noone is forcing you to write. If you don't agree with what I say, just say so and list the reasons why. You should learn some manners before you hit your next cycle my friend.

I'm not the authority and I don't claim to be but I have more than enough cycles under my belt to be able to help a noob.

Take it easy son, Santa is coming to town soon. The point I was making was this. In you hadn't noticed, the OP is 164 lbs looking to use AAS to cut!!!?? And you're just giving him a little push in the right direction? This is his first cycle!! He's 164 lbs!!! What are you saying? Pick from your list of steroids and do one of them for your first cycle? Cutting at 164 lbs? Maybe I shouldn't use the word moron, but if anyone can think of a more accurate term, I'm all ears...

[jimmyinkedup]

This thread is sapping IQ points from my brain....

I so agree. It started off bad with the OP - then songdog at least came through as the voice of reason. Then unfortunately we come to the "lists" People making lists talking about things they dont know shit about. Not only do they obviosuly have no personal experinece on the matter - but they cant even take the time to read and provide a somewhat accurate , albeit bs as far as experience goes, answer. At least there are a few posts twords the end offering a glimmer of hope as well as your entertaining and accurate posts as well!

OP you have much research as well as work to do before the answer to the original question you asked will be of any help to you.

[Bonaparte]

Napoleon, I really enjoy reading your posts. You seem like a very knowledgable guy and could be a mentor to a lotta young guys on this forum. You should really cut down this know-it-all attitude and I know I'm not the first to tell you this.

We are all students here. I'm sure I could learn alot from you but there's also a couple things I'm sure I could enlighten you on as well.

Now you're just complaining because I called you out on your BS.
Am I just supposed to agree with your unfounded claims to make you feel good about yourself?
Tell you what: when I say something that you know to be false, call me out on it as I did and I'll take it lying down without whining or lecturing you from the corner while wearing a dunce cap.

Oh, and don't tell me what to do.
But thanks for the back-handed compliment, I suppose.

[ata1979]

I didn't advise him to use anything on the list. All I did was list the steroids that I thought were the best cutters. Its his first cycle so he should do something test based, but then again the kid wants to drop weight. Cutting at 164lbs is alittle strange. We all want different things and have different goals. In my twenties I was always after the bodybuilder look now I want the fitness look. At 32 almost 33 and sson to be a father, side effects are very important to me. I would never do tren, but I loved it when I was in my twenties. My first cycle was Sus and Anavar. I was just like the OP, all I wanted to do was cut up because at that time I didn't understand the quality of the weight I was gonna gain. Before the cycle weight equaled bad in my mind but after the cycle I understood that quality weight gain was good. I'm sure his mindset is very close to what mine was back then.

[ata1979]

Relax Napoleon, I'm complimenting you on your knowledge. I just criticized you on the way you go about sharing that knowledge. I'm not telling you you to do anything, just sharing my views since on your tone and the way you come off to other people since your one of the guys who's posts I generally read.

If I say something wrong you should obviously correct me and I would do the same for you.

[lovbyts]

I'm thinking with all the bad advise, stupid questions and overall mess it would be best if the admin delete this whole post and lest start over.

[38jumper38]

What a mess?
I believe this guy is 17 years old and not 27 like he claims................

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

I'm not sure if I want to laugh.. Or cry...

[The Titan99]

I just have to say it again because this is the prevailing attitude where I live.

CUTTING WITH AAS DOWN FROM 164 LBS!!!!!! NEEDS TO CUT!!!!!

[Far from massive]

Could we get a new system where in the usual message, "Member" Anabolic Member" "Junior Member" is replaced with "Do not listen to this moron" "Bullshit Artist" "Know it all Newbie" etc. I know this is a non flaming website but it also is supposed to be one where you can get good advice and this is being jepordized more an more lately.

[Bonaparte]

Could we get a new system where in the usual message, "Member" Anabolic Member" "Junior Member" is replaced with "Do not listen to this moron" "Bullshit Artist" "Know it all Newbie" etc. I know this is a non flaming website but it also is supposed to be one where you can get good advice and this is being jepordized more an more lately.

That's actually what reputation points are largely for, but nobody on serious AAS boards uses them.
Go to bb.com or AM and you can quickly tell who knows their stuff (assuming they aren't worthless ****ing misc'ers and only post in the sections that matter).

[The Titan99]

Fair enough. I know my last post was childish and I won't do that anymore. Just trying to inject a little humor while pointing out the inconsistencies in the OP's post and the subsequent "advise" that was being posted. The guy is not 27. He has not read anything about steroid profiles. He's already been given info buy someone most likely trying to sell him steroids. He wants to do it. He says he's been on the same diet for a year.(This is laughable, I'm sorry.) He's lying in order to hear someone tell him what he wants to hear. (I still can't understand the reasoning behind this move.) Anyone 5'7" 164 lbs has no business using AAS unless they are wasting from AIDS or some other terminal disease. Especially for cutting. Giving this guy ANY "advise" based on these lies is doing him a disservice and goes directly against the purpose and intent of this board IMO.