Test-e cycle advice. 22y/o

**600f4i** · 07-11-2011, 03:07 PM

Stats
Age: 22
Height: 6'2
Starting weight: 165 (18 y/o)
Peak Weight: 222lbs
Current weight: 210 @ approx 9-10% bf
Years training: 3.5 years consistent

Best Lifts
Bench: 225x17
Squat: 375x5
Rack pull: 520x6
Dead: 455x5

Anyway, looking to run my first cycle of test-e @ 500mgs/week. I'll be injecting 250mgs twice a week, with 3 days in between injections. Cycle will last 10 weeks.

PCT will start 7 days after last pin and will look as follows:

Clomid/Nolva

Week1: 100/40mg ED
2: 50/20mg ED
3: 50/20mg ED
4: 50/20mg ED

Gonna have extra nolva on hand in case of estrogen sides during cycle.

Diet is going to look like this (my regular bulking diet) except I will probably add 6-8oz more chicken or tuna. Possibly even add more carbs because this diet got me to a bit over 220 (13-15% bf) then the weight gain stalled

So if you guys have any tips or advice for me regarding all of this or things you would do differently please feel free to share.

**dec11** · 07-11-2011, 03:08 PM

too young for gear, wait till 25. read the stickies and you'll see why.

ditch two of those protein shakes and replace with proper food.

at your age diet and good supps is all you need

**funkymonk** · 07-11-2011, 03:34 PM

It'd be better to have a proper AI for on-cycle purposes instead of extra Nolva. Aromasin or even Arimidex are great.
You think about running hCG ?

Also, if cycling I'd consider upping the protein a little bit.

Past that....you're too young. If you're dead set on doing it, at least wait a few years. The potential for long term damage to your endocrine system will be LARGELY reduced.

**dec11** · 07-11-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by funkymonk

It'd be better to have a proper AI for on-cycle purposes instead of extra Nolva. Aromasin or even Arimidex are great.
You think about running hCG ?

Also, if cycling I'd consider upping the protein a little bit.

Past that....you're too young. If you're dead set on doing it, at least wait a few years. The potential for long term damage to your endocrine system will be LARGELY reduced.

but yet you advised him on what to do?!

**600f4i** · 07-11-2011, 04:03 PM

I'm definitively not opposed to waiting a couple more years. I just wasn't sure if I still had THAT many natural lbs left to gain after the 55-60lbs I have gained over the last 4 years, while still being relatively lean..

**dec11** · 07-11-2011, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by 600f4i

I'm definitively not opposed to waiting a couple more years. I just wasn't sure if I still had THAT many natural lbs left to gain after the 55-60lbs I have gained over the last 4 years, while still being relatively lean..

good to hear mate. i still overcame plateaus naturally right up till 30.

and i'll add tht i prob could still be doing so now, curiosity got the better of me though

**gixxerboy1** · 07-11-2011, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by 600f4i

I'm definitively not opposed to waiting a couple more years. I just wasn't sure if I still had THAT many natural lbs left to gain after the 55-60lbs I have gained over the last 4 years, while still being relatively lean..

you seem to have made great progress. If you are still gaining why not continue naturally?

**600f4i** · 07-11-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

good to hear mate. i still overcame plateaus naturally right up till 30.

That's awesome. Defiantly gives inspiration

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

you seem to have made great progress. If you are still gaining why not continue naturally?

I guess I just had a lapse is patience as natural gains slooow down and you really have to just keep grinding away. It also didn't help doing this mini cut and watching my strength fall. Its pretty discouraging as I care just as much about strength as i do size. But I guess that's pretty expected during a cut

**funkymonk** · 07-11-2011, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

but yet you advised him on what to do?!

If he's gonna disregard our advice (foolishly), he might as well continue the ill-advised course of action in the safest manner possible.

**dec11** · 07-11-2011, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by funkymonk

If he's gonna disregard our advice (foolishly), he might as well continue the ill-advised course of action in the safest manner possible.

did you read his replies?

**dec11** · 07-11-2011, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by 600f4i

That's awesome. Defiantly gives inspiration

I guess I just had a lapse is patience as natural gains slooow down and you really have to just keep grinding away. It also didn't help doing this mini cut and watching my strength fall. Its pretty discouraging as I care just as much about strength as i do size. But I guess that's pretty expected during a cut

this whole game is a series of up's and down's mate, enjoy the up's and dont get yourself paranoid about the down's

***FireGuy*** · 07-11-2011, 05:07 PM

Very impressed with your attention to detail and keeping an open mind about making more gains naturally. From the looks of things you have better than average genetics for building muscle and staying lean plus the discipline needed to take things even further. Plateaus are going to occur with or without anabolics in the picture. Learn to break through them with diet and consistent training for the next few years. Good luck.

**600f4i** · 07-11-2011, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

this whole game is a series of up's and down's mate, enjoy the up's and dont get yourself paranoid about the down's

Very true words, thanks for all the advice.

Originally Posted by FireGuy

Very impressed with your attention to detail and keeping an open mind about making more gains naturally. From the looks of things you have better than average genetics for building muscle and staying lean plus the discipline needed to take things even further. Plateaus are going to occur with or without anabolics in the picture. Learn to break through them with diet and consistent training for the next few years. Good luck.

Thanks for the nice words. Bodybuilding definitively is a marathon, not a sprint. Just took a back pic and compared it to one from 3 years, 1 month ago. i hope the next 3 years of natty training shows the same progress.... not likely!

**dec11** · 07-11-2011, 06:09 PM

man you're fvckin fine without AAS, believe me!!

good work, keep it up

**600f4i** · 07-11-2011, 08:37 PM

Thanks man, still looking forward to the next level though!

**sxxen** · 07-11-2011, 09:18 PM

You look amazing. A lot better than most on here who use steroids .

**600f4i** · 07-11-2011, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by sxxen

You look amazing. A lot better than most on here who use steroids.

Thanks. The mini cut went pretty well. Cut my cals to around 3200-3500/day and did the EC stack for 5 weeks. Dropped around 10 lbs. It was a very easy cut, no cardio. The EC worked awesome!