Pre Cycle questions and review

**MorGo** · 07-17-2011, 05:38 AM

Stats:
33yo
181lbs.
bf 16%
6 feet tall
In the gym off and on for 9 years, past 8 months 5 days a week.

I am curently planning to start my first cycle of test cypionate kicking off with dianabol on the 25th of this month. I have been avidly reading researching for the past year or so and have finally decided that I am ready to commit to a cycle. I wanted to get some feed back on my plan and also have you guys tell me about your experiences if you have run this cycle as well.

I will be taking test cyp 500mg/wk. I have Clomid and HCG . Here is what I have planned.

16 week cycle

week 1 - 500mg test cyp 50mg dbol ed
week 2,3 - 500mg test cyp
week 4-11- 500mg test cyp, 250iu HCG 2x week
week 12 - 400mg test cyp, 50 mg Clomid ed, 250iu HCG 2x week
week 13 - 300mg test cyp, 50 mg Clomid ed, 250iu HCG 2x week
week 14 - 200mg test cyp, 25 mg Clomid ed, 250iu HCG 2x week
week 15,16- 250iu HCG 2x week

Let me know your thoughts.

**MorGo** · 07-17-2011, 05:47 AM

Computer locked up on first upload, Mods feel free to delete one as there are 2 identical posts. Sorry.

**lovbyts** · 07-17-2011, 06:06 AM

No reason to taper down.

Week 1-4, dbol 50mg day
Week 1-12, 400mg Test cyp
Week 14-15, 50 mg Clomid ed, 250iu HCG 2x week
Week 16-17, 25 mg Clomid ed, 250iu HCG 2x week
or you can run the HCG throughout the entire cycle

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...CLE-THERAPY%29
I'm not a PCT expert though so read up more using the sticky pages above.

**stpete** · 07-17-2011, 06:43 AM

1-4 D-Bol 40mgs ed
1-12 Cyp 500wk
HCG if needed during cycle 250 twice a week or every 3rd day.
Week 14-18 Clomid and Nolva. Dosages is going to vary from person to person. 50/50/50/50 and 20/20/20/20 respectively might be a good start.

**MorGo** · 07-17-2011, 08:30 AM

I definitely have more dbol than I had planned on taking. I have read that people recommend taking dbol anywhere from 1 to 4 weeks. Why do you suggest running it for 4 weeks.

I do agree dosages should vary between people as we are all not the same size or shape and all vary in physiology as well.

**MorGo** · 07-17-2011, 08:34 AM

Why do you suggest not tappering down? I had thought about running HCG through my cycle but, most of what I had found was that running it while injecting anabolics can lead to continuously fluctuating levels as the HCG is fighting to make your body produce its own hormones while the addition of anabolics is fighting to shut you down.

I would love to hear more people chime in on this point as it was one of the hardest things for me to pin down while researching.

**FCVtec** · 07-17-2011, 09:54 AM

From what I know HCG during cycle is just trying to keep your testicles working and keep them from shrinking while on gear(there are other benefits), even respected doctors prescribe HCG to their TRT patients. I doubt there's any negatives of running it on cycle. Should shorten your recovery time.

**Devil_Doc** · 07-17-2011, 10:13 AM

Hcg in cycle is mainly used for ur huevitos

and your libido, so running Dbol for 6 weeks at 60mg/ED and 10 weeks Cyp 500mg/wk pinning 2 times /wk with no issues, PCT with jus clomid 300mg day 1, 200mg day2, 100mg day3-7, 50 mg day8-14, 25 mg day15-21

**werms** · 07-17-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Devil_Doc

Hcg in cycle is mainly used for ur huevitos

and your libido, so running Dbol for 6 weeks at 60mg/ED and 10 weeks Cyp 500mg/wk pinning 2 times /wk with no issues, PCT with jus clomid 300mg day 1, 200mg day2, 100mg day3-7, 50 mg day8-14, 25 mg day15-21

I don't think 300mg of Clomid is a good idea. or 200mg or 100mg =-x

PCT Should be wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED (50mg/ED week 1)

**Devil_Doc** · 07-17-2011, 10:26 AM

I agree that it is an aggressive PCT, but clomid is jus a kick start, so im gradually lowering it not staying at the levels.... however i think that i am going to do a bit more conservative PCT this round for the sake of saving some tabs

**gixxerboy1** · 07-17-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

1-4 D-Bol 40mgs ed
1-12 Cyp 500wk
HCG if needed during cycle 250 twice a week or every 3rd day.
Week 14-18 Clomid and Nolva. Dosages is going to vary from person to person. 50/50/50/50 and 20/20/20/20 respectively might be a good start.

this is the only good advice in this thread.

**Devil_Doc** · 07-17-2011, 11:05 AM

thanks for the vote of confidence Gixxer =D

**gixxerboy1** · 07-17-2011, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Devil_Doc

thanks for the vote of confidence Gixxer =D

lol. I didnt like your clomid set-up and i think 60mg of d-bol for 6 weeks is way more then needed on a first cycle.

Someone had to give the best advice. Stpete won this time

**Devil_Doc** · 07-17-2011, 12:05 PM

you win some, you lose some i guess

**MorGo** · 07-17-2011, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

lol. I didnt like your clomid set-up and i think 60mg of d-bol for 6 weeks is way more then needed on a first cycle.

Someone had to give the best advice. Stpete won this time

@Gixxer,

I have 50mg tabs of dbol . My test cyp is 250mg/ml. The reason I plan on running 500mg/wk of test and 50mg/ed of dbol, among a sleugh of other reasons is that its easy to dose those amounts. I wouldnt see how I could chisel another 10mg out of a tab. For a first cycle, if 60mg isn't possible would 75mg be okay, or whould I stick with the 50mg?

Thanks for all the input so far guys.

**gixxerboy1** · 07-17-2011, 12:39 PM

50 is more then enough

**FCVtec** · 07-17-2011, 01:41 PM

I can never go over 40 to 50 mg of dbol , messes up my stomach and I cant eat enough. Great results even at 40mg thou. No need at all for 75mg on a first cycle IMO.