sit on your ass, take roid, get buff.......wut......

[lolwut]

so someone on a different forum i frequently visit said if someone were to use steroids, and not do any work in the gym whatsoever they would still gain loads of muscle. i know this is probably not true but being that my knowledge on this kind of thing is pretty limited i just wondered if that was actually the case.

please keep in mind i am not asking if I can take steroids, sit on my ass, and gain muscle, i've worked very hard for every ounce of muscle i've gained and gained all of it naturally. i am not a steroid user, but i do find the subject of them quite interesting to say the least.

[dec11]

amazing 1st post

[PK-V]

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men
To determine the effects of graded doses of testosterone on body composition, muscle size, strength, power, sexual and cognitive functions, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), plasma lipids, hemoglobin, and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, 61 eugonadal men, 18-35 yr, were randomized to one of five groups to receive monthly injections of a long-acting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist, to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion, and weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone enanthate for 20 wk. Energy and protein intakes were standardized. The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively. Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001). Changes in leg press strength, leg power, thigh and quadriceps muscle volumes, hemoglobin, and IGF-I were positively correlated with testosterone concentrations, whereas changes in fat mass and plasma high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol were negatively correlated. Sexual function, visual-spatial cognition and mood, and PSA levels did not change significantly at any dose. We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship. However, different androgen-dependent processes have different testosterone dose-response relationships.

This was a double-blind, randomized study consisting of a 4-wk control period, a 20-wk treatment period, and a 16-wk recovery period.

The participants were healthy men, 18-35 yr of age, with prior weight-lifting experience and normal testosterone levels.

Energy and protein intakes were standardized at 36 kcal · kg-1 · day-1 and 1.2 g · kg-1 · day-1, respectively.

To determine whether the apparent changes in fat-free mass by DEXA scan and underwater weighing represented water retention, we measured total body water and compared the ratios of total body water to fat-free mass before and after treatment in each group. The ratios of total body water to fat-free mass by underwater weighing did not significantly change with treatment in any treatment group (Table 3), indicating that the apparent increase in fat-free mass measured by underwater weighing did not represent water retention in excess of that associated with protein accretion.

Body composition analysis:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...281/6/E1172/T3

Change in fat-free mass (A), fat mass (B), leg press strength (C), thigh muscle volume (D), quadriceps muscle volume (E), sexual function (F), insulin-like growth factor I (G), and prostate-specific antigen (H):
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...281/6/E1172/F1

Total cholesterol, plasma low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels did not change significantly at any dose. Serum PSA, creatinine, bilirubin, alanine aminotransferase, and alkaline phosphatase did not change significantly in any group, but aspartate aminotransferase decreased significantly in the 25-mg group. Two men in the 25-mg group, five in the 50-mg group, three in the 125-mg group, seven in the 300-mg group, and two in the 600-mg group developed acne.
The treatment regimen was well tolerated. There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown.
There were no significant changes in overall sexual activity or sexual desire in any group, including those receiving the 25-mg dose.
We did not find significant changes in PSA at any dose, indicating that the lowest dose of testosterone maintained PSA levels. We did not measure prostate volume in this study; therefore, we do not know whether prostate volume exhibits the same relationship with testosterone dose as PSA levels.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...ll/281/6/E1172














Yes it's true but your gonna get faster results when you actually get off your ass and get down to the gym and actually stimulate your muscle and give it the signal to grow

btw in the above study the results would have flat lined very soon you wont get 250lbs lean doing nothing but sleeping and injecting 10+grams a week

[sxxen]

lolwut

[Srobis15]

Haha. Awesome question.

[dec11]

you'd gain as much by trolling..........

[lolwut]

thanks for the response. yes this is what i figured, i mean i guess if i understand it correctly it's similar in effect to diet. im pretty sure if a non lifters diet had the same macronutrient breakdown as a body builders they would probably have a much different body composition then someone who eats hohos and cinnamon buns for breakfast every morning.

[yungone501]

Jay cutler actually swears by this theory...Ive adopted it myself.

[lolwut]

Jay cutler actually swears by this theory...Ive adopted it myself.

which is?

[Bonaparte]

If only that were the case...

[yungone501]

which is?

Refer back to the 1st post for reference.

[Times Roman]

the only thing that is going to get ripped by sittin on your ass is the seat of your pants from the strain of all that fat building up....

[408gt91]

the only thing that is going to get ripped by sittin on your ass is the seat of your pants from the strain of all that fat building up....

I just pooped a little LMFAO!!!!

[J. Cole]

amazing 1st post

just laughed a little from this comment dec haha