Blast / cruise (TRT) compound questions for the experienced

**valin** · 07-19-2011, 08:02 AM

I have searched a fair amount for this specific information, but was unable to find exactly what I am looking for.

I am currently on TRT at 200mg / week. I have only ever done longer cycles in my past, usually with long esters, with the exception of tren -ace during one cycle. I am going to start to blast for 6 weeks, but I have a question in regards to the esters. Because the test is already in your system, can a long ester be run, and kick in quickly from the upped dosage, or would you have to run a short ester test such as Prop for the duration, along with the 200mg cruise dosage?

Also, if blasting for 6 week durations, would 6 weeks then be enough time off to clear your receptors enough and recover while cruising, or should the cruise be run longer?

I was entertaining the idea of running something like this:

200mg Test-E TRT during the duration
550 mg Test-E: 1-6 (prop?)
50 mg drol: 1-4

cruise 7-12

etc.... Going to throw in tren ace on the next. I had excellent results with it previously.

I'm sure this will be asked, but stats are 34 years old, 5'8" tall, currently at 196 lbs, 12.6% bf. I have been training for 4 years solid, and off and on for 16 years previous to that, mainly due to injuries and work.

**gym_junki** · 07-19-2011, 08:30 AM

Ok, your doing a long ester say test e and you want to switch over to test prop at week 7 that's fine because prop will kick in straight away and you will still have test e a long ester in your bold stream for a few weeks do you get me? Now switch over from short ester to long ester is the problem because under a week that short ester is going to be out of your body and the long ester will take 3-4 weeks to kick in. So you will have to kick start the test when switching from short to long.

**Times Roman** · 07-19-2011, 09:03 AM

1st, 200mg test ew is probably too much. I started on 200mg eow, then switched to 100mg ew, then after a blood panel, we decided that for me to stay in the optimal range, we cut it back to 80mg ew.

200mg isn't enough to anything more than 100mg, except raise your bp, heart rate, and that's not ideal.

2nd, your test levels are already beyond optimal for trt, so all you really need to worry about now is a standard 12 week cycle. The cycle you propose is too short, trt or not.

short acting esthers can jump start a cycle. An easier way would to simply front load the first week or two, double your normal weekly rate. Typically when you front load, it comes from the end of your cycle. So if you front load double the dose for the first two weeks, then your cycle would look like this:

12 weeks - front load period = 10 weeks in this case.

You still consume the same amout of aas, but your body is more effecient in the beginning of a cycle as opposed to the end.

I prefer front loading with long acting esthers, since for me, without blood tests all the time, I have greater confidence I know what's going on inside me. You start throwing in a bunch of short and long acting esthers, and throw some front loading in there to boot, it becomes a little complicated.

i see the drol in there.... can i ask what you are doing to protect your liver?

**Lemonada8** · 07-19-2011, 09:05 AM

if you are on TRT you can just add in a different compound with out fearing suppression.

**Times Roman** · 07-19-2011, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

if you are on TRT you can just add in a different compound with out fearing suppression.

that's partially true.

you only have so many receptors. if the ratio of your test to your other compound leans too heavily towards the other compound, then most of your receptors will be unavailable for the test.

**Lemonada8** · 07-19-2011, 09:25 AM

^your receptors upregulate and downregulate according to how much is in your system. upregulation is much faster than downregulation.

if that were the case then growth from 500mg of test would be the same as 1000mg of test due to so many receptors.

**valin** · 07-19-2011, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by gym_junki

Ok, your doing a long ester say test e and you want to switch over to test prop at week 7 that's fine because prop will kick in straight away and you will still have test e a long ester in your bold stream for a few weeks do you get me? Now switch over from short ester to long ester is the problem because under a week that short ester is going to be out of your body and the long ester will take 3-4 weeks to kick in. So you will have to kick start the test when switching from short to long.

Sorry if my post was confusing, but that is not really what I meant. Since I am currently on 200 mg test ew, I was inquiring about running a 1-6 cycle with the prop additionally to the test-e. I would not be coming off of my TRT while running the prop for 6 weeks.

Originally Posted by Times Roman

1st, 200mg test ew is probably too much. I started on 200mg eow, then switched to 100mg ew, then after a blood panel, we decided that for me to stay in the optimal range, we cut it back to 80mg ew.

200mg isn't enough to anything more than 100mg, except raise your bp, heart rate, and that's not ideal.

2nd, your test levels are already beyond optimal for trt, so all you really need to worry about now is a standard 12 week cycle. The cycle you propose is too short, trt or not.

short acting esthers can jump start a cycle. An easier way would to simply front load the first week or two, double your normal weekly rate. Typically when you front load, it comes from the end of your cycle. So if you front load double the dose for the first two weeks, then your cycle would look like this:

12 weeks - front load period = 10 weeks in this case.

You still consume the same amout of aas, but your body is more effecient in the beginning of a cycle as opposed to the end.

I prefer front loading with long acting esthers, since for me, without blood tests all the time, I have greater confidence I know what's going on inside me. You start throwing in a bunch of short and long acting esthers, and throw some front loading in there to boot, it becomes a little complicated.

i see the drol in there.... can i ask what you are doing to protect your liver?

My body has always stopped making good gains after roughly 7-8 weeks of the longer cycles I have done in the past, which is why I am considering switching over to running the short esters, and shorter cycle durations as opposed to running the long cycles. I have not been doing TRT for all that long, and the 200mg ew is what the doc put me on. I have a test coming up in a few weeks to test my levels, so I am sure he will adjust, if necessary. I am hoping you are right and that I would require less. That would/will be good news.

From what I have researched, most blast/cruise guys are going with 6 weeks on / 6 weeks off, and some with 4 on / 4 off, some 8 on, 8 off.

No worries. I run liv52 and milk thistle when I do orals, and drink 3-4 gals of water. I've done drol a few times over the years.

I appreciate the input guys. Thanks for helping.

**funkymonk** · 07-19-2011, 10:22 AM

Interested in this proposed 6 week prop blast as well. I'm interested to hear if people think 6 weeks is too short, or if something even short might prove efficacious as well

Since you'd be continuing your 200mg/wk Enanthate during your blast, I'd think that ~100mg prop EoD would be MORE than enough to simply add for a few weeks. Since it's a short ester and you'd continually have your baseline Enanthate anyway, I'd think that you can just start/stop at will.

**valin** · 07-27-2011, 09:41 AM

Just returned from my doctor's appt, and he dropped my TRT doseage down to 200mg EOW, which I will run at 100 EW. I am still undecided on what to run for my upcoming cycle in terms of test....whether i stick with a long ester and front load, or throw in a short ester. Any other opinions?