Update: End of 2nd week...Test E, Tren E, EQ

**Gi812Many** · 07-23-2011, 01:47 PM

Well ive reached almost the end of my second week, Test E - 500mgs Tren E - 500mgs (upped it) and EQ - 600mgs. As my previous posts have said its been 8 years since I have been on any gear, overseas work. Have to say im shocked by the results ive achieved in 2 weeks?! I have noticeably lost BF, and ive gained 7lbs. Not sure if its just muscle memory and the fact that ive upped my protein intake to 350g / daily. Aromasin has been excellent, no bloat what so ever. Did notice some tenderness in my chest, was alittle alarmed having had them surgically removed years ago. But, zero tissue swelling. Feel fantastic, no lethargy, no Tren cough. Body temperature has gone up noticeably but, no changing sheets at night. My irritation level has increased a bit but, like before nothing uncontrollable. I know its gross but my bowel movements have increased as well which is a good sign of my metabolism speeding up. Overall really, really happy with this combo...Do have a buddy of mine throwing me some Anavar in liquid form, think im going to put that in for the last 6 weeks. Doing that Slingshot cycling, 8 week reload and 2 week deload, cruising in between with a mL at 250mgs of Test E during that 2 weeks. Going to do this for the year straight soo, will keep you guys up to date with results. Next go round im going to replace the EQ with Primo and up both the Tren and Test E. Got a question for you guys having experienced both gear with and without HGH, you find its worth the money adding say 2 iu's a.m. and 1 iu p.m.? Prefer to save the mula but, do have the ability to put that in.....Ive got some people swearing by it and then others that say save your money

**oatmeal69** · 07-24-2011, 06:58 PM

Interested in your progress & results!
I haven't started yet, but I have a trainer recommending Tren +EQ. She (I know, LOL, but she's a 10 year pro-bodybuilder and trainer - I've checked her cred.) is confident with this 'advanced' gear because she is dialing-in my diet, BF, and training regimen exactly - before any AAS.
I wonder if she is just assuming Test. is a given. I hear a lot about how these two especially should be used with Test. as they shut you down HARD.

**oatmeal69** · 07-24-2011, 07:01 PM

Double post

**Money** · 07-24-2011, 07:55 PM

I love using Tren -e, Test-e and Equipois or Primo. However, I do not think that what you are seeing is from these.
In fact, I am now in my 8th week on a cycle of these and have done this cycle many times. I think that what you are
experiencing right now is Muscle Memory after staying away for 8 years. I also think that since it is your first time
back on the gear, you are doing too much. You should start seeing results from your 6th - 7th week from the above
gear.

**Gi812Many** · 07-24-2011, 08:24 PM

Yah I was thinking it was just my muscle memory kicking in and my diet. Although my strength gains from my 1st week to my 2nd are not natural. In one case up 20lbs!!?? (Shoulder presses) I know the Tren is fairly quick acting so im associating it to that. My previous cycles years ago were generally consisting of everything from Sust, Test E, Deca , Dbol , Anadrol , Winstrol , Primo and or EQ...My dosages at one point of Test were at 1250mgs, so thinking 500mgs is fine...As for the Tren it was a first timer, felt no ill side effects on my first week so dosed it up a bit. Virtually no side effects other than an increasing body temp which I have in the past experienced from Test. Injection sites are sore longer than where I inject my Test and Eq but who cares, easily dealt with. Have another round of poking tomorrow and literally can not wait to wake up.........

**Money** · 07-24-2011, 08:43 PM

Even though your strength gains are up, that is also muscle memory. Did you notice when you first came back, on your lightest bench press, your arms were still shaky. Your body has been out of it for 8 years but it doesn't need much time to remember. I don't think that Tren -e with its long ester is fast acting. I really don't think that it is going to work in two weeks. The only thing fast acting that I see from Tren-e is that my cardio ability goes down quickly. Even though you were doing 1,250mgs. 8 years ago, your body could have got away with using 250mg./week with no problem this time. Then bump it up on the next cycle. I used to get Tren cough but don't seem to get it these days. Anyways, the fact that you came in at 500mg. is not a problem, I just don't think that it was necessary this time. My advice though would be on your next cycle, go back to Deca for that cycle. I switch back and forth with Deca and Tren. Also, Primo is good for helping to block Estrogen.

**oatmeal69** · 07-24-2011, 09:56 PM

Tren -A is MUCH faster acting, right?
Do you really attribute that much to muscle memory? I worked out seriously for several years in my 20's and 30's, and did get quite strong. I had more muscle and was leaner than I am now, even though I've been hitting the gym 5 days weekly for 10 months... I'm attributing some of it to older age, wondering if I'll get that much of a boost that quick....

**Money** · 07-24-2011, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by oatmeal69

Tren -A is MUCH faster acting, right?
Do you really attribute that much to muscle memory? I worked out seriously for several years in my 20's and 30's, and did get quite strong. I had more muscle and was leaner than I am now, even though I've been hitting the gym 5 days weekly for 10 months... I'm attributing some of it to older age, wondering if I'll get that much of a boost that quick....

Tren-A is much faster but I like Tren-e more.
I do attribute that much to muscle memory. I remember years ago, I laid off for quite a few years because of work and traveling the world on business. You get to the point of saying to youself "Ok, I will start next Monday" but it keeps getting put off. Once you get into the gym, it is like it comes back immediately. Not all of it but a lot of it.
As you age, it gets harder and to get back in shape. You will see your arms and legs come back quickly but the waist just wants to hold on to the fat. Even if it isn't fat, you seem to get bloated easily.
The point here is if you have laid of the gear for a number of years, you don't need to come back with a lot because even a small amount is a lot for what your body has become used to.

**oatmeal69** · 07-25-2011, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Money

...Once you get into the gym, it is like it comes back immediately. Not all of it but a lot of it.
As you age, it gets harder and to get back in shape. You will see your arms and legs come back quickly but the waist just wants to hold on to the fat. Even if it isn't fat, you seem to get bloated easily...

You've described me to a 'T' I've been back at it daily (natural thus far). 5 days weekly, with cardio and diet for the last 10 months. If I had been that good back then, I think I'd have been Mr. Olympia, LOL. I do feel I've gained back just about all the strength I've ever had, but that was fairly quickly, and I've just stagnated over the last couple months or so. Plus, I did drop quite a bit of fat, but am currently stuck at about 20% there as well. Guys here (younger, LOL) keep harping on diet, and I do agree to a point. But I feel like if my diet is excellent, and I'm training right, AAS will cut my time to achieve my goals by 2/3.
I know Tren /EQ is pretty advanced, but hey, go big or go home.
Never gone Chem. enhanced, but researched the sh*t out of it over the years.

**oatmeal69** · 07-25-2011, 09:36 AM

Had a complete blood workup last week too. Once I get the results, I'll see if much of it may be hormonal in nature as I suspect. I have every single symptom of low T.

**SlimmerMe** · 07-25-2011, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by oatmeal69

You've described me to a 'T' I've been back at it daily (natural thus far). 5 days weekly, with cardio and diet for the last 10 months. If I had been that good back then, I think I'd have been Mr. Olympia, LOL. I do feel I've gained back just about all the strength I've ever had, but that was fairly quickly, and I've just stagnated over the last couple months or so. Plus, I did drop quite a bit of fat, but am currently stuck at about 20% there as well. Guys here (younger, LOL) keep harping on diet, and I do agree to a point. But I feel like if my diet is excellent, and I'm training right, AAS will cut my time to achieve my goals by 2/3.
I know Tren /EQ is pretty advanced, but hey, go big or go home.
Never gone Chem. enhanced, but researched the sh*t out of it over the years.

KEY and Secret to all of this......

**Gi812Many** · 07-25-2011, 01:21 PM

You know, ive really not had a hard time with cardio? When I think about being at high altitude trying to move, ahhh thats shortness of breath. My cardio is just fine kept at the rate im going to burn fat. Although when doing heavy reps, takes a bit longer to catch my breath. Pinned my chest this morning, first time. Was a piece of cake

As for the next cycle im going to keep with the Test E, already have a bunch mixed up. Just going to change out the EQ....Anyone liked Masteron ?? Never had any experience with it...Can get it dog cheap compared to the Primo soo, curious.........