What oral have I been taking?...cuz its not acting like the anavar I had before.

[guerrero123]

Hi, first I'm a very light user of steroids since my goals are just for a boost at the gym and not big head turning gains. On my first and only cycle before the one I'm on now, I took 40mg anavar/day for a month and I was more than satisfied with what I got out of it. I've been trying a different approach to hopefully yeild the same results as last time only with less side effects I'm now on 10mg of anavar/day for the past month and I want to continue this for 3 months. Here is what I noticed, my side effects now on the 10 mg are not the same as on the 40mg of var, they're slightly less intense, but also different which makes me think its not var at all. I have had achy nuts a few times, my libido is very strong, I sweat all the time ALOT! and I have wierd acne on my neck, not too bad but every day there is a new blemish, only on my neck and its not the usual pimple its more like a small water filled blemish that goes away after a few days as long as I dont mess with it. Gains are small but constant and my strength is also increasing but very slowly although faster than if I didn't take anything at all. So could it be anavar, or something else. I thought D-bol, but I'm not gaining much weight and I don't have any bloating.

[guitario]

You won't have any weight gain or bloating on 10mg Dbol anyway. Sometimes you can take the same thing at different times and experience slightly different sides.

[FCVtec]

Hi, first I'm a very light user of steroids since my goals are just for a boost at the gym and not big head turning gains. On my first and only cycle before the one I'm on now, I took 40mg anavar/day for a month and I was more than satisfied with what I got out of it. I've been trying a different approach to hopefully yeild the same results as last time only with less side effects I'm now on 10mg of anavar/day for the past month and I want to continue this for 3 months. Here is what I noticed, my side effects now on the 10 mg are not the same as on the 40mg of var, they're slightly less intense, but also different which makes me think its not var at all. I have had achy nuts a few times, my libido is very strong, I sweat all the time ALOT! and I have wierd acne on my neck, not too bad but every day there is a new blemish, only on my neck and its not the usual pimple its more like a small water filled blemish that goes away after a few days as long as I dont mess with it. Gains are small but constant and my strength is also increasing but very slowly although faster than if I didn't take anything at all. So could it be anavar, or something else. I thought D-bol, but I'm not gaining much weight and I don't have any bloating.

You need to do some research man... Your cycles are very poor... You always need to run testosterone on a cycle and there are many other things you are doing wrong, whatever your goals are you still need to do this right. I assume you dont know what PCT is do you? REad all the sticky threads for a start please.

[guerrero123]

yes I did research I want a few pounds of muscle and a bit of strength increase that I can keep..thats all. I got exactly that on my last cycle of anavar. I used last time and have again on hand 20 mg doses of tamoxifen for a 6 week pct, Im on liv-52 as well. I don't undeerstand how I "need" to run testosterone, how could you possibly know what my needs are ? the only thing I'm asking, is what experienced users of orals think I have on hand from the side effects I'm experiencing, even then I understand it can only be guesses at best.

[FCVtec]

yes I did research I want a few pounds of muscle and a bit of strength increase that I can keep..thats all. I got exactly that on my last cycle of anavar. I used last time and have again on hand 20 mg doses of tamoxifen for a 6 week pct, Im on liv-52 as well. I don't undeerstand how I "need" to run testosterone, how could you possibly know what my needs are ? the only thing I'm asking, is what experienced users of orals think I have on hand from the side effects I'm experiencing, even then I understand it can only be guesses at best.

Then find your answer else where... If you haven't noticed nobody really replied because is a dumb question... If you mention a oral only cycle people dont even bother to reply because is common knowledge that a test base is NEEDED during any cycle and there are TONS of reasons for you to run test with your cycles I am just not gonna waste anymore time explaining it to you.. If you think you have researched....you didn't... DO it again, do it right.

[longhorn1]

anavar does not do what it says in in profile as it will supress your natural test lest-i can garauntee it! i was on a 15 day var cycle at 30mg ed. my nuts ached & shrank. i stopped and got my bloodwork done. in two weeks my test levels went from 415(before var) to 100 after 2 weeks. my hdl & ldl were out of whack as well. it would be nice if the drug would actually do what it says it would do and not effect hpta-but it does. after week 2 my libido/well being declined

[ScotchGuard02]

Most of the sides you described, I experienced during my var cycle. You're only taking 10mg/ed? It's hard to imagine 10mg/ed would do anything. Maybe you're getting a placebo effect (gains) but real sides. 40mg/ed is the minimum I take on a cycle. As for Test while on on a var cycle. I highly recommend it. You're HPTA will shut down. Not totally like with highly anabolic compound like Test or Tren but it will slow down. It's good that you do PCT after an Var cycle. I'd recommend even a small amount of Test Prop (200mg/wk) will even out your endogenous level of Test during your var cycle.

[guitario]

Then find your answer else where... If you haven't noticed nobody really replied because is a dumb question... If you mention a oral only cycle people dont even bother to reply because is common knowledge that a test base is NEEDED during any cycle and there are TONS of reasons for you to run test with your cycles I am just not gonna waste anymore time explaining it to you.. If you think you have researched....you didn't... DO it again, do it right.

I'm sorry but you don't seem to know as much about steroids as you think you do. Show a bit of humility and accept that not everyone wants to run a harsh compound for 12 weeks. Test is a great steroid, that should be run if you want to grow some serious muscle, but Anavar can be used to help cut and add some small quality gains without test.

[FCVtec]

I'm sorry but you don't seem to know as much about steroids as you think you do. Show a bit of humility and accept that not everyone wants to run a harsh compound for 12 weeks. Test is a great steroid, that should be run if you want to grow some serious muscle, but Anavar can be used to help cut and add some small quality gains without test.

Humility? He gave me a rude answer after I was only trying to point him in the right direction. The OP is the one that should show humility not me.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY MOST VETS AND KNOWLEDGEABLE MEMBERS DONT ANSWER NUB THREADS, YOU TRY TO HELP AND THEY DO THIS CRAP...UNBELIEVABLE.

guitaro--- you are a idiot! you his bit** or something?

[guitario]

Okay to the OP. The best thing is to use your common sense and stop if it doesn't feel right. You know your body better than anyone so just monitor the situation daily.

[nobloat]

your body is pissed off because your not taking enough this time . go back up to 40 mgs

[nobloat]

By the way. Im getting tired of people bitching about how you need to run test with everything. The test is what shuts people down so they need it for ever and then they get pissed. Its a good Idea on mant cycles but var can be run to help with workouts without running the strongest steroid imaginable(well almost)

[guerrero123]

FCVtec, I was being frank, not rude. I respect the fact that you enjoy testosterone, does it mean I have to also? I have no right in telling you what to do to your body, and you judged me from your first response without knowing anything about me. If you found my question dumb why did you spend your time answering it in the first place? There was no need for any of your unhelpful and hostile comments. Thanks to everyone.

[Bonaparte]

Honestly, you'd need to take a much higher dose in order for me to be able to guess based on the side effects. 50mg should do it.

[Gi812Many]

Here is what I noticed, my side effects now on the 10 mg are not the same as on the 40mg of var , they're slightly less intense, but also different which makes me think its not var at all.

Brother you just answered your question yourself.....Thats like saying I was on 750mgs of Test and dropped it to 250mgs and I did not get the same results or feelings, may not be as extreme but just and example. Also, my 2 cents having a lot of experience with Anavar...40mgs is not enough let alone 10 mgs. Save your money and add a meal to your daily routine...lol Seriously, do not waste your time with 10mgs...either bump it back up to 40mgs OR HIGHER and just deal with the cost. If money is the issue, discontinue that has a whole and just run small dosages of Test. I never take less than 80mgs/daily of Anavar when I take it. That for me is the magic number.....By the way starting some this week

[ANIMAL]

I know girls that take more then 10mg of var ED. I don't know what you're looking to do with that amount. There's a reason why test is the base of all cycles. It's not because it just works the best, but it's to keep your levels from dropping as well. I was a stubborn user a few years ago and then I completely stopped for 2 years just to do research.

Var WILL effect your test levels, which is the reason why everyone is telling you to incorporate test in your cycle, no one is saying to do 1,000mg/week. I did a var only cycle a few years ago, was at 70mg ED... I saw gains but also shut me down, I would never solely do it again.

80% of people just looking for that "extra" size are just too lazy to do research in their diet and looking for a miracle pill to make up for their lack of effort. If you have to question the gear credibility at all then you probably shouldn't even be taking it. If someone gave you "blow" and say it was sugar you'd be ok with that?

[FCVtec]

You fail to understand my point guerrero123.... You DONT need to run 500mg/week of test... You can merely run 150mgs/week which is around the amount that your body will produce naturally, you won't get scary huge i swear to you.. It is not that easy. The VAR will work even better man!! The fact that the VAR shuts you down puts your body at a unbalance state due to having no testosterone(natural or supplemented) that may cause many undesirable side effects and it's harsher on your body that way.. At such low dose of Test one 10ml vial would be more than enough and cheap.. Why not listen to people that have been around and spent countless hours researching the very subject?

[Bonaparte]

You fail to understand my point guerrero123.... You DONT need to run 500mg/week of test... You can merely run 150mgs/week which is around the amount that your body will produce naturally, you won't get scary huge i swear to you.. It is not that easy. The VAR will work even better man!! The fact that the VAR shuts you down puts your body at a unbalance state due to having no testosterone(natural or supplemented) that may cause many undesirable side effects and it's harsher on your body that way.. At such low dose of Test one 10ml vial would be more than enough and cheap.. Why not listen to people that have been around and spent countless hours researching the very subject?

STOP. 10mg of Var isn't shutting any guy down. For his goals, adding test WOULD be an unncessary risk to his HPTA health, since a test cycle will always shut you down in a few weeks.
So long as he isn't experiencing lethargy or a loss of libido, why would he need test?
Now, if he were using anything but a low dose of a mild oral (i.e. a real AAS cycle), then yes I would agree.

[FCVtec]

STOP. 10mg of Var isn't shutting any guy down. For his goals, adding test WOULD be an unncessary risk to his HPTA health, since a test cycle will always shut you down in a few weeks.
So long as he isn't experiencing lethargy or a loss of libido, why would he need test?
Now, if he were using anything but a low dose of a mild oral (i.e. a real AAS cycle), then yes I would agree.

.. I even forgot he was only taking 10mg ED... Will that even do anything at all? That's like a mild cycle for a female, why would you give him the impression he is doing the right thing dude?
I just don't see a point in any of this non sense, if he's gonna run 10mg VAR oral only cycle be my *****ing guest I am done with this thread.

No offense to you Bona. I understand your statement, just I never considered the dose of VAR while formulating my answers.. But still, 10mg only will produce such minimal results... It's a pointless cycle no matter what your goal... Tune up your diet and you will have same results if not better.

[Bonaparte]

.. I even forgot he was only taking 10mg ED... Will that even do anything at all? That's like a mild cycle for a female, why would you give him the impression he is doing the right thing dude?
I just don't see a point in any of this non sense, if he's gonna run 10mg VAR oral only cycle be my *****ing guest I am done with this thread.

No offense to you Bona. I understand your statement, just I never considered the dose of VAR while formulating my answers.. But still, 10mg only will produce such minimal results... It's a pointless cycle no matter what your goal... Tune up your diet and you will have same results if not better.

If he's happy with the results, who cares?
Much better than the 55 year old guy in a recent thread who, it turns out, was taking 1400mg of Test P and 2800mg of both Deca and EQ for a first cycle as "HRT" for a minor league softball career or something. And he was wondering why he felt like shit!

[guitario]

There are different sweet spots for each person. My flatmate took 30mg a day for 4 weeks and put on about 10lbs, which he seems to have kept 3 months down the line. For others, that may not do anything bar add them a bit of strength! 10 mg a day won't shut anybody down or gain anybody any size, BUT it could work as a supplement and is probably more useful than creatine for example. 10 mg would also work in helping prevent muscle breakdown on a cutting cycle.

Now i don't know that much about Anavar compared to Dianabol, but i can run dbol alone and experience minimal shutdown and gain libido (as well as lean gains). That being said, Anavar, which i have never taken, could actually shut me down more (at comparable dosages) and lower my libido. Thus i would want to use test to balance things out.

As i always say, there no absolutes and what is good for one person might not be the best (or needed) for another. Yes if he was running 500mg tren and no test we would all be justified in saying what the hell is he thinking, but i think sometimes in threads like these we should either do one of 3 things;

1, answer the question as best we can.
2, answer the question and add constructive criticism
3, don't enter the thread

Everyone deserves polite advice, and if we can't manage that then we shouldn't post. This applies to every thread, not specifically this one.

[FCVtec]

Like I said, I didn't throw the first rock. But I am always happy to throw one back... Leaving that behind us now, no matter what anybody says I think ANAVAR @ 10mgs is ridiculous and useless. But I do wish the best of luck with his cycle. I am on PCT now and get moody easily so forgive me for that as well.

[Gi812Many]

Like I said, I didn't throw the first rock. But I am always happy to throw one back... Leaving that behind us now, no matter what anybody says I think ANAVAR @ 10mgs 00is ridiculous and useless. But I do wish the best of luck with his cycle . I am on PCT now and get moody easily so forgive me for that as well.

100% agree.........

[chuckt12345]

you dont need to add test to any cycle,, its just recommended because its the base of all that makes us male. I thnk people make assumption based on vets saying you have to do this or you have to do that and any other way is wrong. A anavar cycle is much easier on your HPTA than a test only cycle. A anavar only cycle may shut you down or supress you but a test only WILL. So i would never tell someone who wants to do a anavar or winny only cycle etc they have to do test. That being said 10mg of anavar is useless imo.