Gyno keeps coming back every 3 months please HELP

[Dave1622]

Hi Everyone

I’m desperate and feeling really depressed hope someone can share some personal advice that have had to deal with the same issue.

Almost 2 years Ago I did a cycle of

Week 1-12 500mg/EW of Test Cyp
Week 3-12 70mg/ED of Anavar
Week 8-12 75mg/EOD of Tren ACE

I Also toke Arimidex with every test Cyp Shot

The last 4 weeks of my cycle After I started to take Tren I got Gyno
My nip where every sensitive and itch I felt a hard balls starting to develop.

So I started taking Nolvadex until it was gone

and now every 3 months the gyno comes back

I take Nolvadex (Tamox) As suggested by Swifto in my last post

" Tamox at 40mg/ED for 3-4 weeks, followed by 20mg/ED for 8 weeks"

After that the Gyno is gone everything is perfects my nipples feel normal the hard ball inside disappears life is good zero signs of Gyno
But sex drive is still not perfect and then almost 3 months later sex drive is amazing for a couple of weeks and then I break out with acne all over my legs and it starts all over again

Starts off with sensitive nipples
Then burning feeling in my nipples
Then the Hard ball starts to grow

Now its the 3 time it has happened its been 2 weeks and its getting worst

Please Please can someone please help since the all doctors I have seen have no idea and keep telling me it will go away on its own once my body
Re-balances it self.



Also this time its booth nipples that are showing signs of Gyno
in the past it was always the left side only.


Any help would be much appreciated

Anything anyone has tested and can suggest

Thank you

[Dave1622]

Hey guys
Also
I have a bottle of Letro that has expired Feb 2011 so 5 months now Do you guys think its still good?

I'm thinking of doing
C Bino recommendation


"3. Not running any estrogen protection.
3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle . Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone :estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM . So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT .

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle . There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot . You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.


How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle ? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely."

I hope using Letro that's 5 months expired is still good to do the job

[gp170]

sounds like a prolactin issue, best thing would be to get blood work done to see what is going on. Also look into some caber, im sure the vets will have something for you. Goodluck

[cb714]

Bro if it's that serious go talk to your doctor. Have him run some blood tests. Maybe he'll have a solution for you.

[CaliburKid]

Hard balls? As in the nipple area, or like tumors throughout the body?

[Granovich]

dude that much of Nolvadex for such long time cause cancer and order new Letro from ar-r and get some caber as it looks like prolactin issues like gp said

[dec11]

dude that much of Nolvadex for such long time cause cancer and order new Letro from ar-r and get some caber as it looks like prolactin issues like gp said

absolute crap, dont post inaccurate rubbish please.

[dec11]

Hi Everyone

I’m desperate and feeling really depressed hope someone can share some personal advice that have had to deal with the same issue.

Almost 2 years Ago I did a cycle of

Week 1-12 500mg/EW of Test Cyp
Week 3-12 70mg/ED of Anavar
Week 8-12 75mg/EOD of Tren ACE

I Also toke Arimidex with every test Cyp Shot

The last 4 weeks of my cycle After I started to take Tren I got Gyno
My nip where every sensitive and itch I felt a hard balls starting to develop.

So I started taking Nolvadex until it was gone

and now every 3 months the gyno comes back

I take Nolvadex (Tamox) As suggested by Swifto in my last post

" Tamox at 40mg/ED for 3-4 weeks, followed by 20mg/ED for 8 weeks"

After that the Gyno is gone everything is perfects my nipples feel normal the hard ball inside disappears life is good zero signs of Gyno
But sex drive is still not perfect and then almost 3 months later sex drive is amazing for a couple of weeks and then I break out with acne all over my legs and it starts all over again

Starts off with sensitive nipples
Then burning feeling in my nipples
Then the Hard ball starts to grow

Now its the 3 time it has happened its been 2 weeks and its getting worst

Please Please can someone please help since the all doctors I have seen have no idea and keep telling me it will go away on its own once my body
Re-balances it self.



Also this time its booth nipples that are showing signs of Gyno
in the past it was always the left side only.


Any help would be much appreciated

Anything anyone has tested and can suggest

Thank you

swifto will help you out best mate

[songdog]

He is always posting wrong advise.x2 talk to Swifto.

[Granovich]

absolute crap, dont post inaccurate rubbish please.

i have read some studies that mention this and some says its not true. so its risky. why do it ?

[Granovich]

He is always posting wrong advise.x2 talk to Swifto.

thank you , although i posted many comments and tried to help people as much as i can and i did post many stuff and you your self agreed on it !

[Dave1622]

Thanks guys

Questions I have

1.How can I tell if its Prolactin? now reading on the web I found the a lot of people say that Deca /Tren cause Prolactin gyno And my problem did only start after I took Tren before that I did use Test, Winni, Anavar , primo, Masteron , Dbol in other cycles with no problems

Now that only thing is Also On the Web there some info that says Nolvadex would make Prolactin worst but when I went on Nolvadex everything went back to normal but would come back every 3 months

Also Prolactin some say that it would cause lactation but I dont have that sides effect

My Side effects are

Hard Pea size lump behind both nipples and feels tender

Also some site say that even if it is Prolactin gyno Letro would also fix that?


Any Ideas from any one that has tried Letro VS Cabaser ?

[dec11]

i have read some studies that mention this and some says its not true. so its risky. why do it ?

thank you , although i posted many comments and tried to help people as much as i can and i did post many stuff and you your self agreed on it !

looking over your posts i see that you havent a clue, do not try to advise people, its their health you are screwing with. and dont come on threads correcting me either

[dec11]

Thanks guys

Questions I have

1.How can I tell if its Prolactin? now reading on the web I found the a lot of people say that Deca /Tren cause Prolactin gyno And my problem did only start after I took Tren before that I did use Test, Winni, Anavar , primo, Masteron , Dbol in other cycles with no problems

Now that only thing is Also On the Web there some info that says Nolvadex would make Prolactin worst but when I went on Nolvadex everything went back to normal but would come back every 3 months

Also Prolactin some say that it would cause lactation but I dont have that sides effect

My Side effects are

Hard Pea size lump behind both nipples and feels tender

Also some site say that even if it is Prolactin gyno Letro would also fix that?


Any Ideas from any one that has tried Letro VS Cabaser ?

my tren related gyno has disappeared after cycle before and i rem one of the mods saying the same a while back. this time around i went on adex as tren had put my estro through the roof, lumps vanished within 7 days of .5mg eod. imho caber is unnecessary. you will need nolva for when you come off adex to prevent an estro rebound though

[NewbFromCali]

Hey guys
Also
I have a bottle of Letro that has expired Feb 2011 so 5 months now Do you guys think its still good?

I'm thinking of doing
C Bino recommendation


"3. Not running any estrogen protection.
3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.
Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle . Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone :estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM . So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT .

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle . There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot . You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.


How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle ? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely."

I hope using Letro that's 5 months expired is still good to do the job

By no means am I an expert but I had gyno. Just got it removed. I was milking like a cow. Took some dostinex and that trash WORKS! I'm no doctor (big surprise) but the caber gave me porn star erections, crazy low refractory periods and STOP lactating. You might wanna look into taking that with the letro plan or the nolva plan.

[Dave1622]

Thanks guys

Questions I have

1.How can I tell if its Prolactin? now reading on the web I found the a lot of people say that Deca /Tren cause Prolactin gyno And my problem did only start after I took Tren before that I did use Test, Winni, Anavar , primo, Masteron , Dbol in other cycles with no problems

Now that only thing is Also On the Web there some info that says Nolvadex would make Prolactin worst but when I went on Nolvadex everything went back to normal but would come back every 3 months

Also Prolactin some say that it would cause lactation but I dont have that sides effect

My Side effects are

Hard Pea size lump behind both nipples and feels tender

Also some site say that even if it is Prolactin gyno Letro would also fix that?


Any Ideas from any one that has tried Letro VS Cabaser ?

Any one Else can advise?

[Minion0812]

Hey bro! I'm kinda going through the same thing however it is not coming back. This is my first cycle and have developed two lumps under one nipple. Our common area is Tren . I have been taking nolva for weeks and still another one came and formed so I upped the dosge to 40-60mg a day. I'm waiting for my adex to arrive from ar-r . Try that or the letro and best of luck to both of us. I will msg you and we should follow the progress and what happens together.

[Dave1622]

Thanks man
I think I'm gonna try the Letro I have and see what happens hopefully even if its expired it still works.

I wish I knew before hand that Tren would F up my systems and was a big factor of gyno sides because to be honest It wasn't worth it at all.
Best cycle I ever did was Test, Masteron , primo and winni and never had a problem

now ever since Tren my sex drive has never been the same before Tren I was always ready and wanted sex now for the last 2 years its up and down sometimes its good sometimes its bad.
And the last month everything seemed to be coming back to normal and then Gyno started.

In my Opinion Tren so over rated for the sides I got

[magic32]

You need more time!

Hi Everyone

I’m desperate and feeling really depressed hope someone can share some personal advice that have had to deal with the same issue.

Almost 2 years Ago I did a cycle of

Week 1-12 500mg/EW of Test Cyp
Week 3-12 70mg/ED of Anavar
Week 8-12 75mg/EOD of Tren ACE

I Also toke Arimidex with every test Cyp Shot

The last 4 weeks of my cycle After I started to take Tren I got Gyno
My nip where every sensitive and itch I felt a hard balls starting to develop.

So I started taking Nolvadex until it was gone
I've studied gyno and the preponderance of clinical data demonstrates running Nolva well beyond the disappearance of symptoms, i.e. 20 mg ED for several months, and at least a couple past symptom resolution. I don't have my hard drive with me, but you can look up said studies on Pubmed.

and now every 3 months the gyno comes back

I take Nolvadex (Tamox) As suggested by Swifto in my last post
" Tamox at 40mg/ED for 3-4 weeks, followed by 20mg/ED for 8 weeks"
Swift was right, Nolva is the best remedy and your dosage is fine, but based on your description duration needs to be increased. Try to think of it as you would a course of antibiotics, the doc always says take them all, even after you feel better...same principle!

After that the Gyno is gone everything is perfects my nipples feel normal the hard ball inside disappears life is good zero signs of Gyno
But sex drive is still not perfect and then almost 3 months later sex drive is amazing for a couple of weeks and then I break out with acne all over my legs and it starts all over again

Starts off with sensitive nipples
Then burning feeling in my nipples
Then the Hard ball starts to grow

Now its the 3 time it has happened its been 2 weeks and its getting worst

Please Please can someone please help since the all doctors I have seen have no idea and keep telling me it will go away on its own once my body
Re-balances it self.
This is simply false. Once the growth has developed, as long as your body continues to supply it with nourishing estrogen gyno will flourish. Because it's preferred by the receptors beneath the nipples, Nolva dissallows the actual estro to reach the receptor, thereby starving it of nourishment. As with everything else, lack of nourishment equals death, or at least satisfactory resolution. I'm currently developing a gyno piece for this website, release date unknown because it's so comprehensive and smaller projects like DNP and just yesterday Brian put me on a quick half-lives project.

*Plug*
I just completed a comprehensive DNP piece for Steroid .com entitled, "The Whole Truth About DNP!", it'll be up as soon as Stephan (webmaster) can load the webpage. Look for it...it's great!


Also this time its booth nipples that are showing signs of Gyno
in the past it was always the left side only.


Any help would be much appreciated

Anything anyone has tested and can suggest

Thank you

[Minion0812]

Sounds good and great post from ^^^^^. Letro could shut you down hard bro and should be last resort. Try the arimdex or aro. But as the MODS are saying Nolva ED should help.

Sry to hear about the bad results with TREN . I got crazy results and have been very happy. Zero sides other then the lumps but again nothing is proven since I am running Test e and winny along side so don't know which one it is for sure.

[Dave1622]

Thanks guys

Magic32 how long after should I stay on it
Because the Nolva I stayed on for 12 weeks and the Gyno comes back almost 12 weeks after so I'm just woried if let's say I do Nolva again but this time stay on it 24weeks and then my body will Boyce back No?

And isn't it bad to run Nolva that long might have some worst sides on longterm use?

[tballz]

magic32, I'm totally looking forward to your gyno piece for this site.

[Lemonada8]

I noticed with my pubertal gyno that after the first week of 40mg nolva i went down to 20mg nolva that it went away. then if i took 40mg nolva (even just one day) that it flared back up and appeared that it was coming back. but i kept ont he 20mg dose and it went back down.

I wouldnt go with letro this far out of a cycle, it wouldnt do much for it now.

I would continue with the nolva @ 20mg ED for several weeks and see if it makes a difference.

also have you had blood work done to make sure its not prolactin induced?

[Tbound]

To the OP: Brother, I've been there. It was a long time ago when I was 19(yeah bad mistake I know being so young!).....But it was in my right nip mostly and it got noticeable.....AND THEN THE UN F'IN' THINKABLE happen.....the MF started lactating! LOL!!!!.....why would I lie ya know? But to put you at rest, when I went completely clean for several months it went away.....completely away.

[ata1979]

If its that bad then you might wanna consider going under the knife and getting the mammalary glands removed so you could be done with that problem. I had a friend who had the surgery and the scaring is really minimal after a year. He used a cream called Mederma and it really helped.

[Dave1622]

Tbound

Do you remember how long it was from the first time gyno started to when you started lactating?

[Dave1622]

I'm going to see my doctor on Monday and will ask to have everything checked and get Ultrasound done

I will ask to have

Thyroid Check
Lipid panel
Free Estrogen
Free Testosterone
DHT Testosterone
HDL/LDL Cholestral count
Gowth Insulin Count

Anything else I should ask to check?

[Lemonada8]

Prolactin

[magic32]

Thanks guys

Magic32 how long after should I stay on it
Because the Nolva I stayed on for 12 weeks and the Gyno comes back almost 12 weeks after so I'm just woried if let's say I do Nolva again but this time stay on it 24weeks and then my body will Boyce back No?

And isn't it bad to run Nolva that long might have some worst sides on longterm use?

Most treatments last for approx 6mths, I've seen a little less and much more, but it works extremely well as all subjects typically report complete reversal or satisfactory resolution.

Hey guys the DNP piece just went up, check it out and feel PM any questions:

http://www.steroid.com/The-Whole-Truth-About-DNP.php

[Dave1622]

Hey guys quick update

It's been almost 9 months and still have gyno

I took the Leto at first like subjected and then Nolva
Been on Nolva for about 8 months now and the gyno is still there

I have no idea what to do should I try Caber ? And if so for how long?

Thanks guys for any help

[lovbyts]

Sorry to hear you have been fighting this for so long. Honestly at this point I would lean toward going to the doctor. Make sure you DONT say it's aas related and if you have insurance you can be able to get it covered as long as it's something that is not cosmetic but you tell the doctor it hurts, painful and physically bothers you, not just looks.

If you want to experiment more sure try the caber but you have more patients than I do. If you had done the surgery back at the beginning it would be ancient history and forgotten by now.

[Dave1622]

Thanks Lovbyts
Ive been to so many doctors at the beginning and they al said the same "it will go on its own" total bull shit I waited at first and only made things worst.

I'm going to see new doctor this week and will try to get him to do ultra sound and X-ray also will do blood work and try to get him to test my Prolactin

FN Canadian heltcare free but suck it's so hard to get anything done
my sex drive is almost zero never in the mood to start anything I can still get hard but don't feel as good as before
If prolactine levels are high then maybe try Caber

If all else fails then I'm gonna have to do surgery

[lovbyts]

No way, Obama tells us all the time that this is the type of healthcare we want. Why would we want to get into the doctor same day or next day like we can now when we can wait a month or two when we have cancer or ???

If you end up having to pay for the surgery look into other countries like Thailand. For what you will pay in Canada or the US you can go there and make it a full blow vacation while getting the best care in the hospital you can imagine with a little research and planning.

Yeah since it will take you a while to get in to see the doctor no harm in trying caber. Dont let the doc say it will go away. make a point of how many years you have had it and it's not going away. Exaggerate a little if you need to. Ask him how long HE would wait if it were him?

[Lemonada8]

What kind of gyno are you refering to? is there still a lump? or is it mainly puffiness? If there is a lump, then the nolva should have worked (given proper doses, and legitly dosed nolva). If its the puffiness left over, then there prolly isnt much to change that. Ive heard of some success of DHT gel to help shrink them down. Other than that, its either surgery or really work on building your chest up.

Its best to get some blood work done, and if your prolactin is high, then caber is the way to go. But get a script for it, dont settle for anything less.
While your at it, might as well get more checked also like test for sure. If your prolactin is high, it will neg feedback and inhibit test formation.

be sure to include the loss of libido, and other symptoms you are facing.