Need Help With Cycle

**Corpsman** · 07-26-2011, 08:03 PM

I have asked this a few different times but I never get an answer so I am not sure if I am not asking it correctly. I am on HRT 200mg/week Testosterone with 1000u HcG on day 5 & 6. When they test my blood I am always at the top of the high normal range. I have been on HRT for about 10 years but have only recently been lifting regularly. I have taken off a lot of fat and added a decent amount of muscle but i want to take it to the next level. I would like some advice on how much to increase my test to and for how long and also how to adjust my HcG usage when I increase the test. Since I am on HRT I never come off the test so other than going back to my normal routine, I don't know if I need any additional PCT. I am thinking of just doubling the test for 4 weeks and not taking the HcG during that time, then going back to my normal routine. Any advice?

I am 37, 5' 7", 162lbs

Thanks. If I am not asking this question correctly, let me know what I need to be asking please.

**gym_junki** · 07-26-2011, 08:11 PM

You don't need pct because you are on hrt there for you just go back to your normal test dose, you can't just do 4 weeks it's not enough at all you go for 12 weeks and raise the dose to 400-500mg of test per week.
HCG you will be fine with 250 iu every 3 days

**Corpsman** · 07-26-2011, 08:41 PM

So take 2mg of Test Cyp (400mg) with 250iu (1/4 cc) every 3 days, and do this for 12 weeks, then return to my normal dosage? I have been lifting regularly for 3 months. Is it too early to do this in your opinion? Should I wait a little longer until I start plateauing on lifts?

**dec11** · 07-26-2011, 08:48 PM

you would notice a diff raising it for 4wks, im in the same boat and have done that to experiment, better to go for a 10-12wk cycle though to get a good kick.

you shoot 1000iu's hcg on days 5 and 6?? dont get that at all

**Corpsman** · 07-26-2011, 08:51 PM

If I do that, how long would I have to be returned to my normal dosage in order to have a blood test consistent with what I have been? My VA doc tests my blood every time I see him. I convinced them to let me give myself my own shots at home and I went a long time only taking 200mg every two weeks so I have a stockpile to do my cycle with. I don't want to risk having them tell me I have to start getting my shots there.

**funkymonk** · 07-26-2011, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Corpsman

So take 2mg of Test Cyp (400mg) with 250iu (1/4 cc) every 3 days, and do this for 12 weeks, then return to my normal dosage? I have been lifting regularly for 3 months. Is it too early to do this in your opinion? Should I wait a little longer until I start plateauing on lifts?

Why alter your hCG schedule?
I personally say yes. While the chance for shutdown is nil, your connective tissue is still relatively untrained and more susceptible to injury when adding mass/strength quickly. However, I would like others' opinions on this as well, as it's not something I've looked into extensively. Perhaps a shorter blast would be more suitable?

Originally Posted by dec11

you would notice a diff raising it for 4wks, im in the same boat and have done that to experiment, better to go for a 10-12wk cycle though to get a good kick.

you shoot 1000iu's hcg on days 5 and 6?? dont get that at all

How were your gains, or what "difference" did you note?
I just read something from Dr. Crisler about this theory. The idea is that the Cyp from day 1 (injection day) begins to taper off most significantly on days 5 and 6, right before your next injection. The hCG is supposed to give you a slight mood boost, a sort of substitute for the declining (albeit still normal) test levels.

**Corpsman** · 07-27-2011, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by funkymonk

Why alter your hCG schedule?
I personally say yes. While the chance for shutdown is nil, your connective tissue is still relatively untrained and more susceptible to injury when adding mass/strength quickly. However, I would like others' opinions on this as well, as it's not something I've looked into extensively. Perhaps a shorter blast would be more suitable?

How were your gains, or what "difference" did you note?
I just read something from Dr. Crisler about this theory. The idea is that the Cyp from day 1 (injection day) begins to taper off most significantly on days 5 and 6, right before your next injection. The hCG is supposed to give you a slight mood boost, a sort of substitute for the declining (albeit still normal) test levels.

That is why I was taking the 1000iu on days 5 and 6

**Bonaparte** · 07-27-2011, 03:15 AM

You should really keep lifting seriously for at least another year or two before upping the test. You'd run a good risk of injury right now if your strength shoots up before you've buildt a good physical base and learned proper lifting form and technique.

So wait until you can't gain much more with your current regimen, then come back for cycle advice.

**Corpsman** · 07-30-2011, 12:55 AM

Probably good advice. I had been irritated lately because I wasn't gaining much on my bench or incline bench, but the other night was really weird because I jumped 20-35% increase on all my day 3 lifts in just over two weeks. Plus I do see my physique continuing to improve. But don't worry about me and technique. I always try to use good form and not cheat. And when I am not sure about something I hit you tube to find it.