Most insane method of controling E2 and Prolactin?

[meathead320]

Hi all,

Heard of a method from SWIM, on controling E2 and Prolactin, on cycle, with heavy doses of AAS that leads to lots of prolactin, and the dreaded "deca/tren-dick", as well as gyno and such.

As we all know, we do need some Estradiol, but not too much. Too low and we don't make gains as well, and too low is also a big culprit in ED. That and prolactin being the big culprit in ED from low libido as well.

These are the kinds of boner killing that PDE-5 drugs cannot help us with as if E2 is too low, or prolacting too high it kills desire, no getting the mood, not a blood flow issue.

Anastrozole is good for controling E2, but does not do much for controlling prolactin, although it does tend to stay ok so long as E2 levels are kept in check.

Some guys over time, even on test alone, can get high Prolactin anyway. This obviously more common with 19-nor steroids however.

Well, Letrozole does bring down Prolactin, as well as harshly dropping E2. Often guys have trouble controlling it and drive E2 down too low.

Well SWIM claims to have experimented with this, and found a very odd solution. He takes a high enough dose of letro to completely destroy E2 formation all together. Bring down prolactin as well.

Then he take 1/4th the normal dose of an Eythl Estradiol female birth control pill ED.

I don't know what the dose is, mg or mcg or whatever, but the thought of killing off all E2 and Prolacting with letro, then replacing the E2 itself with a tiny dose of EthnylEstradiol sounds crazy, yet there is logic to it.

Anyone here ever tried this? results? was it able to control the prolactin and keep the E2 normal/level on cycle?

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[Swifto]

Hi all,

Heard of a method from SWIM, (who the f*ck is SWIM) on controling E2 and Prolactin, on cycle, with heavy doses of AAS that leads to lots of prolactin, and the dreaded "deca/tren-dick", as well as gyno and such.

AAS do not directly increase PRL, even 19-Nor's.

As we all know, we do need some Estradiol, but not too much. Too low and we don't make gains as well, and too low is also a big culprit in ED. That and prolactin being the big culprit in ED from low libido as well.

Too high/low an estrogen level will cause ED.

To high a prolactin level will cause ED.

Stress, nervousness, alcohol consumtion and other psychological issues will cause ED, not all hormonal.

These are the kinds of boner killing that PDE-5 drugs cannot help us with as if E2 is too low (actually they do, take PCT for example), or prolacting too high it kills desire, no getting the mood, not a blood flow issue.

Anastrozole is good for controling E2, but does not do much for controlling prolactin, although it does tend to stay ok so long as E2 levels are kept in check.

Not true.

Prolactin is regulated as estrogen is regulated and synthesised. Its called the Long Feedback Mechanism. Get your boy SWIM to read up on it.

Some guys over time, even on test alone, can get high Prolactin anyway.

Thats because anything that interacts with the estrogen receptor (ER), can increase prolactin. Any steroid that interects with the ER can push PRL off the chart.

This obviously more common with 19-nor steroids however.

Nonsense.

Show me a study that shows 19-Nor's increase prolactin more than other steroids that meerly interect with the ER... You wont find one. Because its parrotted garbage on these boards. Its CAN happen, but not where near as you would think and guru's and research chem sites have you believe.

Nandrolone and Trenbolone with interact with the progesterone receptor (Nandrolone is a full agonist), but that doesnt mean prolactin will shoot off the charts.

Well, Letrozole does bring down Prolactin (Not directly, because it controlls estrogen), as well as harshly dropping E2. Often guys have trouble controlling it and drive E2 down too low.

Well SWIM claims to have experimented with this, and found a very odd solution. He takes a high enough dose of letro to completely destroy E2 formation all together. Bring down prolactin as well.

Right on the money. But I bet he didnt know what I have just explained above because his theory's dont add up.

Then he take 1/4th the normal dose of an Eythl Estradiol female birth control pill ED.

What for??

I don't know what the dose is, mg or mcg or whatever, but the thought of killing off all E2 and Prolacting with letro, then replacing the E2 itself with a tiny dose of EthnylEstradiol sounds crazy, yet there is logic to it.

None at all. Why not control estrogen, not destroy it with another AI (Aromasin 10mg/ED) then take a dopamine agonist to control prolactin IF it increases. Talk about stupid...
Anyone here ever tried this? results? was it able to control the prolactin and keep the E2 normal/level on cycle?

Bolds.

Class dismissed...

[meathead320]

Bolds.

Class dismissed...

You asked two questions in your reply:

1: who is SWIM? (someone who isn't me), local guy who competes recognized me in the audience at a contest a friend of mine was competing, and we chatted durring the contest, subject of AI's came up when one of the guys on stage had gawd awful looking gyno. He said he used to have issues getting his E2 into the right range, and was also having prolactin issues until he tried this, and claimed it worked. Hence how I heard of this, and why I asked.

2: why did he say he took the small dose of estradiol each day after knocking it out all together with the letro? Because he still wanted to have some E2 and since he would have virtually none after the high dose of letro, he took the E2 in a low dose itself.

Well thanks for your answers. I won't be trying this in that case. Why I said I thought it sounded crazy, and asked. I'd never heard of anyone doing that before.

[chi]

Bolds.

Class dismissed...

nuff said lol

[baseline_9]

I love reading Swifto's responses to things like this...

Guys take note...

Swifto is the man!

[Lemonada8]

Yes that is the most insane way to control estrogen and prolactin.

why would you want to supress Test and Estro, and supplement it with something else? It may work for him now, but its senseless and dangerous.

[Bonaparte]

Meh, I actually do see some merit behind the idea and think its worth looking into.

A real knowledgable vet on another forum named Centeroiler came up with a similar method for gaining complete control over his DHT/androgen levels because he suffers from BPH.
He uses Avodart year-round to elminate all DHT conversion. But since he still needs the effects of DHT, he just subs in a bit of Proviron or Masteron to make up for it, which also gives him complete control over his 5a-reduced androgen levels. His logic is also that Proviron only has 1/3rd the AR binding affinity of DHT, so it is less hard on the prostate than actual DHT.
He's also in his late 40s and is on self-administered HRT.
Thoughts?

[PK-V]

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