Do any vets have ANYTHING good to say about Prohormones?

[DAAS]

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Was wondering if any vets had anything good to say about any Prohormones?

[lovbyts]

I may not be a vet but I have done a lot of reading over the past few years on here and I have not seen/read much of anything good. I have heard much more negative, more people being shut down hard and not recovering, expensive and minimal to no gains. Ive read enough that I would never use any.

[DAAS]

Yes they are good to NOT buy they dont even work if you are in normal ranges they ate boosters not increasers they boost your low test levels most of them are just tribbulus and if there is a good one that comes out it will be banned just as fast...

I found it very hard to follow your reply.
And im not talking about Natty Test boosters, im talking about Prohormones/designer steroids .

[CMB]

I'd rather just go with the real thing, but you could try H-drol.

[Devils Advocate]

I've ran Havoc (epistane clone), didn't do **** all but give me headaches. And that's one of the better ones around (at least when I did it). Then you have Superdrol clones, but really it's a steroid since it's not a hormone precursor. It doesn't convert like prohormones do. Now I can't speak much about it since it hasn't been around as long as something like DBol or Anadrol for long-term effects... I can tell you that it makes ya feel like shit (lethargic), and it gave me hypoglycemic episodes... It's a carb monster so keep carbs high and you should be fine. What I can say, is that it's strong mg to mg... Dry gains and very nice strength.

[Matt]

I may not be a vet but I have done a lot of reading over the past few years on here and I have not seen/read much of anything good. I have heard much more negative, more people being shut down hard and not recovering, expensive and minimal to no gains. Ive read enough that I would never use any.

I would say you are a vet mate, you've been at it long enough with more experience than most..

You don't need a title to be a vet....

[songdog]

I agree with that Matt.Now Sdrol Hdrol M1t.Never did any but read a lot on them.To me they are like Abombs.You lve them or hate them.Now I have a friend who did Hdrol and loved it.But these things are strong.And today with the mega dosers we have.Most I see complain of bad sides.I plan on tryin m1t here soon.I will make a post on it.

[DAAS]

Sorry it has been a very long day. Im assuming you are talking about things like Halodrol(which are often one molecule off from real steroids) which are sold at places like GNC. They aren't really steroids most gains are water weight and generally to get the most out of it you have to already have decreased test levels. They are really weak when you are comparing to a real steroid, and they cost the same sometimes more.

you sound like a parrot.

[DAAS]

I think Epistane is a steroid as well.

I've heard people compare it to winny as far as gains, even that it is more powerful mg/mg.

Have you taking winny before?

Are the gains from superdrol easy to keep? ive heard Hdrol is easy to keep. I didnt expect something as powerful as Superdrol to have dry gains... is that correct?

[lovbyts]

I would say you are a vet mate, you've been at it long enough with more experience than most..

You don't need a title to be a vet....

Thanks for the that.

[nobloat]

I used beastdrol(superdrol) 20 mgs a day. I have to admit I got big gains fast.(Anadrol speed).Dry gains and stronger than dbol . The down side - I FELT LIKE TOTAL SHIT . I had to stop in 3 weeks. If I feel like shit somwthing inside is wrong.

[dec11]

ive havent actually tried em but i dont see the point, the real thing is cheaper, clinically proven and less shitty sides. pro hormones are just rushed on the shelves with no testing at all

[songdog]

Well DAAS hopefully when you get a lil older you will get a lil wiser.

[Eazy20]

ive havent actually tried em but i dont see the point, the real thing is cheaper, clinically proven and less shitty sides. pro hormones are just rushed on the shelves with no testing at all

I have tried them and could not agree more. The sides are actually far harsher with some of them even when comparing them to the real deal. I'll never touch them again, and will never recommend them to anyone.

[dec11]

I have tried them and could not agree more. The sides are actually far harsher with some of them even when comparing them to the real deal. I'll never touch them again, and will never recommend them to anyone.

i have used the 1st generation that came out around 12-15yrs ago and they were complete and utter expensive rubbish. anyone rem the maximuscle stuff taken under the tongue with droppers? they 'supposidly' converted inside the body.

thts a good reason for me not to try em tbh

[sxxen]

First off winny is not really a good mass builder. It has its place in a mass cycle because it brings your strength way up thus the more you can lift the more you will grow, Winny is best used in cutting cycles because of the strength it gives and because of how it increases lean body mass. Epistane is not a real steroid it is very close like I said before probally only 1 molecule off. If it were real then buying it would be illegal. What are you trying to accomplish??? Strength, cutting, size depending on your answer that will determine what you should use. Even prohormones are split into these catagories even tho i think they all belong in the garbage with MAYBE exception to Halodrol

The guy just called you a parrot (meaning you know jack shit, just repeating what you've heard from others). Why do you insist on helping someone out that doesn't respect your opinion?

[sxxen]

good point i didnt realize thats what that meant... I was put off by it, but most people are morons and love to waste money. Good luck with not accomplishing jack sh*t DAAS you really do have a lot to learn. Thanks for the heads up on that sxxen

No problem. Wasn't trying to instigate a fight, but thought it was pretty rude of someone asking for help. Seems like he just wants to be told that prohormones are awesome so he can justify himself.

[dec11]

DAAS at 22 you shouldnt be taking anything to alter hormones

[Gaspari1255]

I said it befoew and I'll say it again, Superdrol is the strongest and most powerful oral out (Yes---even stronger than AAS orals)

[Bonaparte]

There are very few real PHs left.
However, the designer steroids still available are certainly potent and will give results comparable to many traditional oral AAS (but with maybe more sides and less unknown health risks).
The real problem with OTC steroids is that they rarely get stacked with test, so you're just doing an oral cycle. And if oral cycles of AAS are generally considered shitty, why would a DS cycle be any different?
But I know of plenty of guys who prefer Superdrol or Epi to Dbol or Winstrol in a test cycle.

And "juiceplease", please stop spouting misinformation. You don't know what you're talking about. None of the compounds you have mentioned require a conversion to another hormone in order to work. So they are steroids. And they don't boost test, so it doesn't really matter what your baseline T levels look like.

[dec11]

i agree with you DEC now I did start HRT at 21 but levels were that of a 80 year old man. So, I had to there for adding extra is no issue cuz im always on. Sxxen thats very true people dont ask question just to hear an answer you want. Ask questions to learn what is right!

yeah thats diff if your on trt. someone like this kid shouldnt push the issue though

[Bonaparte]

I said it befoew and I'll say it again, Superdrol is the strongest and most powerful oral out (Yes---even stronger than AAS orals)

Mg for mg? No.
M1T, methyltren, mibolerone , and maybe Halotestin (depending on how you look at it) are all more potent

[Gaspari1255]

Mg for mg? No.
M1T, methyltren, mibolerone, and maybe Halotestin (depending on how you look at it) are all more potent

You may be right. I've never taken any of those above. What I should of said is that SD is more powerful than your standard Dbol or Anadrol .

[dec11]

You may be right. I've never taken any of those above. What I should of said is that SD is more powerful than your standard Dbol or Anadrol.

you reckon its better than good legit drol? must have been strong stuff

[gixxerboy1]

never tried them. I got a few friends that swear by epistane. I'm going to add it to my trt in a few weeks.

[Eazy20]

never tried them. I got a few friends that swear by epistane. I'm going to add it to my trt in a few weeks.

Epistane gave a ton of guys I know bitch tits. Use caution...It's garbage in my opinion...That's what I ran...Dried my joints up to shit

[NewbFromCali]

1) Not a vet.
2) Competitive Edge Labs H-Drol was awesome. Ran it at least 6 times. Saw awesome gains and I was always ready to **** the prom queen. Keep reading...
3) I'm not sure WHERE it went wrong, but it most certainly did. I just had surgery to remove gyno that I got from them and I'd never do them again. Just do the real thing or stay natural.
4) Total cost was 4k for the surgery and it'll be 3 months before I'm back to looking normal.
I know you asked for anything "good" about them. I guess look at my #2?

[NewbFromCali]

1) Not a vet.
2) Competitive Edge Labs H-Drol was awesome. Ran it at least 6 times. Saw awesome gains and I was always ready to **** the prom queen. Keep reading...
3) I'm not sure WHERE it went wrong, but it most certainly did. I just had surgery to remove gyno that I got from them and I'd never do them again. Just do the real thing or stay natural.
4) Total cost was 4k for the surgery and it'll be 3 months before I'm back to looking normal.
I know you asked for anything "good" about them. I guess look at my #2?

[Bonaparte]

I never said that they convert.
Yeah, you did. You said that epi is 1 molecule away from a real steroid (which is a statement that any high school kid who paid attention in chemistry can tell you is wrong, since a steroid is comprised of a single molecule).
Even tho they DO! You can get gyno from prohormones.
No shit. They're steroids and have all the same side effects.
If you read the back of the package ad it says you can get a false positive for juice then yes it can convert.
THERE IS NO CONVERSION! That's my whole point. They are active steroids that have not been banned yet.
I know plenty of people you have had to get breast surgery after using some prohormones.
And the whole basline test coment isnt wrong either if you have low test you are more sensitive to these products. Thus why so many men over 35 report having such great gains and people around 20-25 really have none...
Really? Ask member "Thebigshow" here if they don't work for younger guys with high test.
Its the same concept that if my test is a 180 and use 200mg of test my test levels will probably become higher than a guy a whose test is naturally 1200 and uses 200mg of the same test since there is less in my body my body absorbs it much faster and effecintly...
Baseline T levels make no difference when using steroids (especially highly suppressive ones), since by the time most start working, you're already shut down anyway. This is why nobody adjusts their doses based on their natural test levels

And steroids arent required to convert to another hormone to work they convert as a side effect that is why some people convert more than others also depends on your genes. If what you are saying is true than every guy that used 200mg of test a week would have the same conversion rate to estrogen and dht that is false!!! everyones body is differnt
What does this have to do with anything? Aromatase and 5a-reductase have nothing to do with the current designer steroids available.

Answers in bold. I'm not advocating the use of oral designer steroids (quite frankly, I don't care what other people use), but absurd comments and misinformation piss me off.

[DAAS]

There are very few real PHs left.
However, the designer steroids still available are certainly potent and will give results comparable to many traditional oral AAS (but with maybe more sides and less unknown health risks).
The real problem with OTC steroids is that they rarely get stacked with test, so you're just doing an oral cycle. And if oral cycles of AAS are generally considered shitty, why would a DS cycle be any different?
But I know of plenty of guys who prefer Superdrol or Epi to Dbol or Winstrol in a test cycle.

And "juiceplease", please stop spouting misinformation. You don't know what you're talking about. None of the compounds you have mentioned require a conversion to another hormone in order to work. So they are steroids. And they don't boost test, so it doesn't really matter what your baseline T levels look like.

THANK you Bonaparte.
And for who ever said I just want to hear some one say that Prohormones are good, thats not at all what im looking to hear. But I hear allot of bad rep, about prohormones, most of which are true.
But I feel like there are a few out there that have good purpose, and for example if you using a 17aa steroid like winny, then you might as well take a oral that you can buy at your local sports nutrition shop.
I also didnt say that winny is for mass....

As far as EPISTANE i have heard allot of awesome things about it. It will dry your joints out though...

[NewbFromCali]

I never said that they convert. Even tho they DO! You can get gyno from prohormones. If you read the back of the package ad it says you can get a false positive for juice then yes it can convert. I know plenty of people you have had to get breast surgery after using some prohormones. And the whole basline test coment isnt wrong either if you have low test you are more sensitive to these products. Thus why so many men over 35 report having such great gains and people around 20-25 really have none...Its the same concept that if my test is a 180 and use 200mg of test my test levels will probably become higher than a guy a whose test is naturally 1200 and uses 200mg of the same test since there is less in my body my body absorbs it much faster and effecintly... And steroids arent required to convert to another hormone to work they convert as a side effect that is why some people convert more than others also depends on your genes. If what you are saying is true than every guy that used 200mg of test a week would have the same conversion rate to estrogen and dht that is false!!! everyones body is differnt

Definitely just had surgery after using them on and off for a couple years.

[DAAS]

Answers in bold. I'm not advocating the use of oral designer steroids (quite frankly, I don't care what other people use), but absurd comments and misinformation piss me off.

Like I said sounds like a parrot. Im not claiming to know every thing, but I know that you sound like an idiot(juiceplease)

[gixxerboy1]

Epistane gave a ton of guys I know bitch tits. Use caution...It's garbage in my opinion...That's what I ran...Dried my joints up to shit

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not gyno prone but still keep stuff on hand just in case

[guitario]

I took Tren Bomb 2 years ago as an experiment to see what these legal steroids did. After 2 days i was pretty much totally shut down, and by day 5 my 1 rep max on bench turned into 3 reps. Safe to say it was as strong as hell and i only took 10mg per day.

I lasted about 10 days before i gave up on it as it made me feel crap. Stronger mg for mg than Dianabol thats for sure, but rat poison isn't for bodybuiding.

I took Epistane for 4 weeks as i heard lots of good stuff about it. From what i gather it is a milder version of Winny in what it achieves and has it's place on a cutting cycle. That being said, it is still a fairly unknown drug and thus should be treated with caution.

It also has a good rep for reducing gyno although this hasn't been proven. It also doesn't aromatise.

[DAAS]

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not gyno prone but still keep stuff on hand just in case

I always found that interesting seeing how epistane is supposed to be a AI, and some people even claim to use it to treat gyno.

[gixxerboy1]

I always found that interesting seeing how epistane is supposed to be a AI, and some people even claim to use it to treat gyno.

from what i understand some of the ingredients have supposedly been show to help with estro. But the amount actually in the epistane isnt enough to matter. not being regulated you pretty much get to claim what ever you want

[PK-V]

Sorry it has been a very long day. Im assuming you are talking about things like Halodrol(which are often one molecule off from real steroids ) which are sold at places like GNC. They aren't really steroids most gains are water weight and generally to get the most out of it you have to already have decreased test levels. They are really weak when you are comparing to a real steroid, and they cost the same sometimes more.

100% incorrect

[PK-V]

ive havent actually tried em but i dont see the point, the real thing is cheaper, clinically proven and less shitty sides. pro hormones are just rushed on the shelves with no testing at all

Not all of them

epi (ph) was discovered long before var

var got the attention due to the money to be made using it for AIDS wasting patients etc

you gotta sort the good from the bad

[Granovich]

i ****ed my self up with 4 weeks on PH.
im in the 4th week of PCT and its frustrating. i destroyed my self over PH
even with PCT i dont feel like before. just half of the day then for some reason i cant get my D!ck up after 5-6 pm....
do not do it.

[Bonaparte]

Not all of them

epi (ph) was discovered long before var

var got the attention due to the money to be made using it for AIDS wasting patients etc

you gotta sort the good from the bad

You're thinking of the unmethylated version, which was used to treat breast cancer in Japan.
There is basically no research available on methylepi.