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    How is this for a first cycle?

    Hi guys. I am 19, 6'0, 170lbs, somewhere between 14-10% bf. My 5RMs are as follows:

    Squat 275, Bench 195, Deadlift 295, OHP 145.

    I've been lifting for 3 years. I feel like I should look better and be stronger than I am by now. I understand the concepts of bulking and cutting and my diet is very strict. I've been researching AAS's for a while now and have come up with the following cycle:

    Weeks 1-8:

    S 10 mg Aromasin ,
    M 10mg Aromasin, 500iu HCG
    T 10 mg Aromasin, 300mg Test-e
    W 10 mg Aromasin,
    T 10 mg Aromasin,
    F 10 mg Aromasin, 500iu HCG
    S 10 mg Aromasin, 200mg Test-e

    The last 2 or 3 weeks I will administer 100mg ish more per Test-e dose to make use of the last of my vial.

    PCT:

    1000iu HCG every other day for 3 weeks
    100mg Clomid daily for 3 weeks, 50mg daily last week
    20mg Aromasin daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily last week
    10g Creatine daily
    3g Vitamin C daily
    Multivitamin

    I am hoping to gain a lot more strength and more lean mass through this cycle. I do not want to be bloated/fat looking from this or monstrously huge(which I don't think would happen anyway). I have read about fat burning chemicals such as Clen but I am not knowledgeable enough to implement it into my first cycle. I have done ECA stacks before, while they work they give very moderate results at best.

    Critique wanted. Thank you for reading.

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    The young and Steroids

    Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

    There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
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    At 6'0" yet only 170lbs it is crystal clear you should head to the diet section of this forum and learn to eat.

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    I have done heavy, clean bulks twice in the past year, reaching 180lbs and cutting down to 160lbs then 200lbs on my second bulk and cutting down to 170lb. I am still in the process of cutting weight/fat but I am majorly unhappy with my appearance and strength levels.

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    500mg/wk is a good start. If your diet is very strict with adequate hydration and you're doing cardio bloat shouldnt be much of an issue, of course that depends on how your body responds to the test e. In my opinion its good to have an AI on hand but I wouldnt use it unless you started to experience some sides. Aromasin will lower estrogen levels which is great when there are side effects but not so much concerning muscle growth... some estrogen is beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeznutts View Post
    500mg/wk is a good start. If your diet is very strict with adequate hydration and you're doing cardio bloat shouldnt be much of an issue, of course that depends on how your body responds to the test e. In my opinion its good to have an AI on hand but I wouldnt use it unless you started to experience some sides. Aromasin will lower estrogen levels which is great when there are side effects but not so much concerning muscle growth... some estrogen is beneficial.
    Real good advising a 19 year old to run a cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeznutts View Post
    500mg/wk is a good start. If your diet is very strict with adequate hydration and you're doing cardio bloat shouldnt be much of an issue, of course that depends on how your body responds to the test e. In my opinion its good to have an AI on hand but I wouldnt use it unless you started to experience some sides. Aromasin will lower estrogen levels which is great when there are side effects but not so much concerning muscle growth... some estrogen is beneficial.
    Not cool

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