Trenbolone & Test First Cycle

[musbtr1pin]

I'm getting ready to start my first cycle next week. I'm 6'4'' 186 lbs and have been on a steady diet and a strict workout regime along with truck loads of protein and various other vitamins.

I am going with one injection a week with 1 cc of Test/Tren Combo for ten weeks.. A group of my buddies have been using this mix for quite some time, and all I can say is wow, talk about results.

I will be using Nolvadex during my OCT, should I be using something else to go along with this, perhaps clomid, and Arimidex? Arimidex I heard is expensive and I'm no money bags here, so what are my options?

What do you think about my PCT regime? Was going to continue Nolvadex and Clomid for some time. Am I missing anything?

Thanks for your help

[beelong122]

tren has the worst sides of any aas. everyone is going to tell you test only for ur first cycle and add 1 compound ur next cycle so if you start experiencing sides Ull know what its from.

[Srobis15]

I do not understand why all these new users are wanting to stack Tren with everything. Did word get out that Tren is some sort of miracle AAS that I didnt catch word of? Cuz last I checked, Tren is one of my fav AAS's, but it kicks my ass every time I use it. Not to mention I will probably have to be on TRT the rest of my life for using it multiple times.

And beelong is right, everyone will tell you to stick with Test only your first cycle. But I am not gonna recommend anything unless I get some stats.

And yes you did miss something very important.

[brad1986]

I do not understand why all these new users are wanting to stack Tren with everything. Did word get out that Tren is some sort of miracle AAS that I didnt catch word of? Cuz last I checked, Tren is one of my fav AAS's, but it kicks my ass every time I use it. Not to mention I will probably have to be on TRT the rest of my life for using it multiple times.

And beelong is right, everyone will tell you to stick with Test only your first cycle. But I am not gonna recommend anything unless I get some stats.

And yes you did miss something very important.

agree. I know so many people that want to run tren tren tren. Stick with test and save using tren for many many cycles later.

[musbtr1pin]

So, did anybody get to the part where I need some advice on my OCT and PCT
?

[gixxerboy1]

So, did anybody get to the part where I need some advice on my OCT and PCT
?

you need advice on diet at 6'4 and 186 lbs you are damn skinny. It doesn't even sound like you work out or eat. Honestly that sounds un healthy skinny. You need to learn how to eat properly. If your not eating steroids aren't going to fix that

[dosXX]

you need to do more research.

[dirtysouth]

6'4 and 186? you could easily get to 210 with just a sh*tload of eating buddy then maybe run a test only cycle. You will be happy with just that alone.

[stpete]

you need advice on diet at 6'4 and 186 lbs you are damn skinny. It doesn't even sound like you work out or eat. Honestly that sounds un healthy skinny. You need to learn how to eat properly. If your not eating steroids aren't going to fix that

^^^^ This.

[Dr Pepper]

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...DIET-QUESTIONS

[musbtr1pin]

you need advice on diet at 6'4 and 186 lbs you are damn skinny. It doesn't even sound like you work out or eat. Honestly that sounds un healthy skinny. You need to learn how to eat properly. If your not eating steroids aren't going to fix that

At my height a healthy weight is between 170-190 so i'm just fine. I don't know what you think is a healthy weight, but i look pretty damn fine. If I was here to write shit and let you all flame me, yea then I'd be in the right fckin place... THANKS

[Nooomoto]

At my height a healthy weight is between 170-190 so i'm just fine. I don't know what you think is a healthy weight, but i look pretty damn fine. If I was here to write shit and let you all flame me, yea then I'd be in the right fckin place... THANKS

You should start eating tren.

[musbtr1pin]

6'4 and 186? you could easily get to 210 with just a sh*tload of eating buddy then maybe run a test only cycle. You will be happy with just that alone.

I take double my weight in protein.. My calorie intake is almost 5000... protein is around 400 grams per day, plus all my other vitamin and minerals..

I work out 6 days a week..

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - shoulders
Wednesday - Back
Thursday - Arms
Friday - Abs
Saturday - Legs

I do 6-8 sets of various exercises pertaining to this muscle group and taper off of 12 reps... I've been doing this steady for about 5 months. I've dropped body fat, and have definitely gained muscle.. 215 is my ultimate goal, but god damn, my metabolism is a BIT**

[musbtr1pin]

Nolva and Clomid It is... Thanks for the advice! Someone close this pos thread

[Srobis15]

Whoa champ, calm down. No need to flame. We are just letting you know our opinion. That is why you posted the questions in the first place correct? To get an opinion? Just because it wasnt what you wanted to hear doesnt mean you need to rage out man.

[Dr Pepper]

You should start eating tren.

Agreed...

[Devils Advocate]

Ultimate goal is 215lbs? But... Isn't that obese? I mean, it is outside the range of your "healthy" weight.

[Nooomoto]

Whoa champ, calm down. No need to flame. We are just letting you know our opinion. That is why you posted the questions in the first place correct? To get an opinion? Just because it wasnt what you wanted to hear doesnt mean you need to rage out man.

Must be the tren

[Bonaparte]

You should start eating tren.

That actually works.
But you'd need like 5 times more of it, which I wouldn't recommend due to the cost and the extra strain on your kidneys and liver (the jury is still out on how toxic Tren is).

[musbtr1pin]

Rage out, haha......

[musbtr1pin]

I have the Test/Tren and ive already started it two weeks ago... I have nolvadex on hand, and have yet to use it... started my second week sunday... It is what it is, thanks for your help y'all... I'll get through this myself..

[pointblank]

enjoy your HRT in a couple years bro

[deeznutts]

op said "I'm getting ready to start my first cycle next week." but now you say "I have the Test /Tren and ive already started it two weeks ago" huh???
If your diet is what you say you it is...(more carbs will help you gain) then giving some info about your dosage might get you some more help. Because 1 cc of test/tren mix is a waste IMO. You should hit the tren min 2wk since the half life is 8days.

[Nooomoto]

I have the Test/Tren and ive already started it two weeks ago... I have nolvadex on hand, and have yet to use it... started my second week sunday... It is what it is, thanks for your help y'all... I'll get through this myself..

This guy has to be a teenager. If you started it two weeks ago why would you start some dumbass thread asking for first cycle advice?

[dec11]

At my height a healthy weight is between 170-190 so i'm just fine. I don't know what you think is a healthy weight, but i look pretty damn fine. If I was here to write shit and let you all flame me, yea then I'd be in the right fckin place... THANKS

then maybe you should also follow governmental recommendations on steroids aswell

[Bonaparte]

then maybe you should also follow governmental recommendations on steroids aswell

Nice one.

[Nooomoto]

then maybe you should also follow governmental recommendations on steroids aswell

Well played, sir.

[PitMaster]

Sounds like the guy didn't expect to catch any shit. Figured he would definitely catch sh*t if he just come out and said he started his cycle and didn't know how to follow it up during pct or that he even had the meds ready for it. Either way just be up front..OP

[ata1979]

Before I did my first cycle I was always worried about the weight gain because I didn't understand that the weight was mostly muscle. After my first cycle I was all about the weight gain. If you eat correctly and do your cardio most of the weight you gain is in the upper body. At your stats you definately need to put on a minimum of 10lbs. After that a test only cycle should have you rocked up at 205lbs.

When answering this guy's questions don't forget that this is his first cycle. We were all there once.

[The Titan99]

You should start eating tren.

That's pretty funny!! Seriously though, the sudden, abrupt increase that Tren is going to give you (Test too for that matter) is going to tear the holy h*ll out of the tendons and joints on that "damn fine looking body of yours. AND 170 lbs is not at all a healthy weight for a 6'4" man, sorry, but it isn't. No flame intended.

[songdog]

Well you wanted the truth didnt you? Your weightat that height tells us a number of things.Your diet is off you have no base from years of lifting.And just beacuse some guys are doing it mean its good for you.Beacuse if you aint eating right youwont keep anything you gain.That is if you gain anything at all.Now you come here and ask a question.And the guys were helping you not flaming you.You need to grow up and listen.TREN isnt something a new guy should run.I dont care wat the guys down the street are saying.Tren is the most powerful aas out there.TREN will shut you down hard make you have nite swets.Your aggression will be bad.You may experence not being able to bust a nut during sex or you could start leaking from your chest.Now these are just a few of the things.Your strenghtwill go thru the roof.So if you dont have a good base.You may experence wat Titan said.Tendon ligment and joint problems.Now for pct clomid and nova.And if your dumb enough to keep runnin tren.Get some caber for prolacton issues.Hit the diet section learn how to eat.But if you were smart run test only.Either way good luck>

[ghettoboyd]

Well you wanted the truth didnt you? Your weightat that height tells us a number of things.Your diet is off you have no base from years of lifting.And just beacuse some guys are doing it mean its good for you.Beacuse if you aint eating right youwont keep anything you gain.That is if you gain anything at all.Now you come here and ask a question.And the guys were helping you not flaming you.You need to grow up and listen.TREN isnt something a new guy should run.I dont care wat the guys down the street are saying.Tren is the most powerful aas out there.TREN will shut you down hard make you have nite swets.Your aggression will be bad.You may experence not being able to bust a nut during sex or you could start leaking from your chest.Now these are just a few of the things.Your strenghtwill go thru the roof.So if you dont have a good base.You may experence wat Titan said.Tendon ligment and joint problems.Now for pct clomid and nova.And if your dumb enough to keep runnin tren.Get some caber for prolacton issues.Hit the diet section learn how to eat.But if you were smart run tren only.Either way good luck>

i think you ment if you where smart run just test right?....imho if he where smart he would listen to the advise given even though its not what he wants to hear...good luck op i think your in over your head....

[Vullfromsc]

6'4" 186lb ? you are as skinny as a rail.. 5000 kcal per day my ass. learn how to count

[Machinek69]

If youre taking Tren e and your going to do it anyways, Take this 2 Weeks after last injection. You should split tren E up to two doses a week for better blood levels. Listen to these folks or else youre going to **** up. Listen carefully. Diet. I suggest you stop the tren. Continue the test. save the tren for now. youre only in 2 weeks now, so get off of it while you can. You wont see results from it for another few weeks anyways and you strike me as the type who needs instant gratification. There will be Nothing gratifying if you dont listen to the vets.

taken two weeks after last injection. Some people will run this pct and still not recover from tren. These people are people like you who starts threads about Their first cycle including tren as if its something to be proud about.

Layout:
Weeks 1-4- 40 mg GP Nolva per day
Weeks 1-4 100mg GP Clomiphene per day
Weeks 1-5 1mg GP Anastrozole per day
Week 1- 4,500 iu HCG
Week 2- 3,000 iu HCG
Week 3- 1,500 iu HCG

If you cant afford PCT with Gear, then you cant afford the gear. They go together as one in MOST cases where you add compounds to test.

[gixxerboy1]

6'4" 186lb ? you are as skinny as a rail.. 5000 kcal per day my ass. learn how to count

i know really.
Everyone thinks they eat a ton.

[The Titan99]

I'm 6'2" 245 lbs and when I'm bulking I (really) eat 4700-4800 calories clean. It is a major fvcking task!!!! You don't just throw down 5000 calories like its no big deal. Unless your eating deep dish pizzas every meal I guess...

[chuckt12345]

how old are you OP,, if your 23 at that weight start eating,, if your 35 thats a different story. I always love what someone thinks people should weigh at a certain height. I must not have the genetic vodoo calculator option on for this forum.

[gixxerboy1]

how old are you OP,, if your 23 at that weight start eating,, if your 35 thats a different story. I always love what someone thinks people should weigh at a certain height. I must not have the genetic vodoo calculator option on for this forum.

no but people can get to a ballpark weight if they are eating a training properly. You really think at 6'4 and 186lbs that he is doing both of those correctly and needs steroids to be able to gain more?

[chuckt12345]

no but people can get to a ballpark weight if they are eating a training properly. You really think at 6'4 and 186lbs that he is doing both of those correctly and needs steroids to be able to gain more?

Guess i dont believe in a ballpark weight,, what someone can put on naturally at a certain height may be 25lbs different than the next guy. Im sure this guy can put on some weight with a great diet but why spend 10 times the money and time to get there with diet when he can do it with a simple test cycle. Because as soon as he stops that diet hes gonna lose the weight just as he will when he comes off cycle. I only apply this scenario to older guys whos metabolism is more stable. If hes young than i agree to try adding just with food. I agree diet is very important but AAS always trumps that in my book. JMO

[brad1986]

Nolva and Clomid It is... Thanks for the advice! Someone close this pos thread

YOur an idiot. Have a great time losing your gains after your cycle. You claim your wt is healthy and while maybe it is(bmi is stupid as hell anyway so idk what measuering tool your using) but your goal is to be at a higher wt then healthy right???!!! So that argument goes right out the window. YOu could gain the wt your trying to gain by eating better im sorry but sombody eating 5000cals per day and 400 grms of protien woulnt wiegh 186 if they were 5'10 let alone 6'4. You dont want advise do you? You just want validation for what stuipd ass choice your making.