hormones to food and semen to women

[crazy_rocks]

i bet the title caught the attention of dsm4life lol.

ive been meaning to post this question for awhile but kept forgetting. its generally accepted that people are going through puberty early because of of livestock getting pumped with steroids. if this is not true then my question is void.

ive read the question more than once on hear where a dude asks if steroid sides are being passed onto his gf because she gives him oral sex. he asks this because she starts growing hair in places she never had it before. the answer as far as i have read was always no. she is not getting sides through your semen.

if the changes these girls are going through are not being passed on from their boyfriends then how come its still possible for some of us to go through early development from our meat? whats the difference?

[DAAS]

im not sure if what your saying about meat is true, but you eat food since the day you were born every single day multiple times a day, and girls typically dont start swallowing loads until they are around 17-18, and its probably not on a 3 times a day basis.

But im pretty sure loads are good for your gf to swallow, lots of protein and nutrients, and its fresh...

[Dr Pepper]

This is a funny thread... Be interested in some of the vets replies

[crazy_rocks]

im not sure if what your saying about meat is true, but you eat food since the day you were born every single day multiple times a day, and girls typically dont start swallowing loads until they are around 17-18, and its probably not on a 3 times a day basis.

But im pretty sure loads are good for your gf to swallow, lots of protein and nutrients, and its fresh...

i wasnt suggesting that girls are going through puberty at an early age from swallowing loads if thats what you thought i was getting at LOL LOL

[crazy_rocks]

This is a funny thread... Be interested in some of the vets replies

yeah your right. it is funny. i didnt fully realize it until i read it over due to reading your post.

maybe the vets will be baffled this time

[Honkey_Kong]

I don't know if I'd put much stock in kids going through puberty at younger ages due to hormones in livestock. First I don't know if they're really going through puberty at a younger age or that we're becoming aware of when they start puberty more?

And second, could it be just the fact that we live in a world of plenty as far as food goes. People were wealthy and lucky if they could eat three times a day even so far as a little more than a hundred years ago. Now I don't know if it's the added proteins and calories people are consuming or the livestock hormones.

As for broads getting steroids from swallowing pride. One obvious side effect would be the growth of facial hair. Anyone got stories about their old lady they want to share?

[crazy_rocks]

well the question is more more about girls going through more development at young age rather than those few who hit puberty early. my mistake.

[songdog]

I dont know where you got 17 or 18.Hell girls are vets by that age now days.And the sad thing is I aint joking!

[crazy_rocks]

^ sad but exciting at the same time

[Honkey_Kong]

By the way, can somebody tell me what is wrong about chicks growing larger boobs at a younger age? I mean, aside from that making me want to be 10 all over again so I could see the girls with big boobs in my 5th grade class, what is the big to do over it?

[Bonaparte]

^ sad but exciting at the same time

Uhhh...you might want to rephrase that so we don't get the wrong idea.

But I think that kids maturing earlier is more of a cultural thing in the West. In most of the world, kids still look like kids.
It's mainly in the US that girls are starting to look 18 at 13 (although it seems more prevalent among poor minorities, which I'll get back to).
So part of it may be genetic selection (i.e. those girls are getting knocked up in high school and having a lot more kids than the less physically developed girls), and raising a bunch of other little whores who will repeat this pattern.
Part of it also may be the way that they dress (push up bras and thongs in middle school).

Also: poor people in the West tend to have unhealthy, fattening diets. Poor people in the rest of the world just eat less.
More fat= more estrogen and testosterone= early puberty.

So really I think this phenomenon has more to do with poverty, ignorance, poor taste, and genetic selection than anything else.

[crazy_rocks]

Uhhh...you might want to rephrase that so we don't get the wrong idea.

oh its ok. songdog was talking about about 18 yr olds which is what i was commenting on.

[HALTEH]

this thread is hilarious, lmfaoo

[Ashop]

From all the medical evidence I have seen its not passed on in semen.

[Bonaparte]

From all the medical evidence I have seen its not passed on in semen.

"In fact, the results aren't a complete surprise because semen does contain several mood-altering hormones, including testosterone, oestrogen, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinising hormone, prolactin and several different prostaglandins. Some of these have been detected in a women's blood within hours of exposure to semen."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...epressant.html

[crazy_rocks]

Uhhh...you might want to rephrase that so we don't get the wrong idea.

But I think that kids maturing earlier is more of a cultural thing in the West. In most of the world, kids still look like kids.
It's mainly in the US that girls are starting to look 18 at 13 (although it seems more prevalent among poor minorities, which I'll get back to).
So part of it may be genetic selection (i.e. those girls are getting knocked up in high school and having a lot more kids than the less physically developed girls), and raising a bunch of other little whores who will repeat this pattern.
Part of it also may be the way that they dress (push up bras and thongs in middle school).

Also: poor people in the West tend to have unhealthy, fattening diets. Poor people in the rest of the world just eat less.
More fat= more estrogen and testosterone= early puberty.

So really I think this phenomenon has more to do with poverty, ignorance, poor taste, and genetic selection than anything else.

nice. i know that the type of fat in red meat is beneficial to the endocrine system (ignorant vegans are in denial) but the same cant be said for the fat food america is known for like french fries, ice cream, and dorritos.

[crazy_rocks]

"In fact, the results aren't a complete surprise because semen does contain several mood-altering hormones, including testosterone, oestrogen, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinising hormone, prolactin and several different prostaglandins. Some of these have been detected in a women's blood within hours of exposure to semen."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...epressant.html

so are you saying that semen could cause these steroid like sides in women who give oral sex to their non steroid using guy?

[DAAS]

I dont know where you got 17 or 18.Hell girls are vets by that age now days.And the sad thing is I aint joking!

unfortunatly your right, I kinda just said that because I dont want to think thats true, but it is.

[Bonaparte]

nice. i know that the type of fat in red meat is beneficial to the endocrine system (ignorant vegans are in denial) but the same cant be said for the fat food america is known for like french fries, ice cream, and dorritos.

The source really doesn't matter. The body synthesizes sex hormones from saturated fat and cholesterol. Steak or ice cream will both help. Plus they're just getting more calories in general, so it helps them fatten up, produce more estrogen, and grow.

so are you saying that semen could cause these steroid like sides in women who give oral sex to their non steroid using guy?

No. I'm just pointing out to Al that semen does, in fact, contain sex hormones.
But I'm sure its a pretty negligible amount.

[Honkey_Kong]

"In fact, the results aren't a complete surprise because semen does contain several mood-altering hormones, including testosterone, oestrogen, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinising hormone, prolactin and several different prostaglandins. Some of these have been detected in a women's blood within hours of exposure to semen."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...epressant.html

So, what you're saying is that women should spit instead of swallow.

[Bonaparte]

So, what you're saying is that women should spit instead of swallow.

...
Actually, blowjobs aren't of any concern here as far as side effects go, unless maybe you're using oral AAS. Think real hard about why that would be.
It is vaginal absorption that poses more of a risk for sides (and even then, I doubt it makes much difference).

[TBrah]

it's all the estrogen in the tap water

[crazy_rocks]

The source really doesn't matter. The body synthesizes sex hormones from saturated fat and cholesterol. Steak or ice cream will both help. Plus they're just getting more calories in general, so it helps them fatten up, produce more estrogen, and grow.

ok. as far as women go or men to because i know that diet can play a factor in men who are having ED.

[Bonaparte]

ok. as far as women go or men to because i know that diet can play a factor in men who are having ED.

I fail to see your point here.

[run_n_fool]

From what I have been told, girls begin menstrating at about 100 lbs. I'd argue that the onset of puberty occurs earlier than in the past due to the wide availability of calorie dense (ie high fat) foods.

[Times Roman]

here are my thoughts:
1) Time limitations: if they are injecting tren in the livestock, you would have to consume the chemical prior to it being fully metabolized as indicated by it's esther and active life in order for it to have any possibility of having any effect on you
2) Temperature limitations: Heat degrades steroids, so therefore, if there is any remaining unmetabolized steroid in the meat prior to cooking, cooking the meat will probably degrade most if not all the rest of the biologically active steroid.
3) Injestion limitations: If the type of steroid is not orally available, like tren, then even if eaten, it would not survive first pass through your liver. So it wouldn't matter if there were any active steroid in the meat.

I thoroughly believe that beef treated with growth hormones have no impact in the way we are thinking to the final consumer.

Make sense?

[crazy_rocks]

here are my thoughts:
1) Time limitations: if they are injecting tren in the livestock, you would have to consume the chemical prior to it being fully metabolized as indicated by it's esther and active life in order for it to have any possibility of having any effect on you
2) Temperature limitations: Heat degrades steroids, so therefore, if there is any remaining unmetabolized steroid in the meat prior to cooking, cooking the meat will probably degrade most if not all the rest of the biologically active steroid.
3) Injestion limitations: If the type of steroid is not orally available, like tren, then even if eaten, it would not survive first pass through your liver. So it wouldn't matter if there were any active steroid in the meat.

I thoroughly believe that beef treated with growth hormones have no impact in the way we are thinking to the final consumer.

Make sense?

YES. this definitely a good argument of why hormones in our livestock may not have a role in our development. considering your answer is correct and i believe it is, it would void out my question like i already stated in first post of why women cannot get steroid sides from giving oral sex to men who use steroids.

[Bonaparte]

here are my thoughts:
1) Time limitations: if they are injecting tren in the livestock, you would have to consume the chemical prior to it being fully metabolized as indicated by it's esther and active life in order for it to have any possibility of having any effect on you
2) Temperature limitations: Heat degrades steroids, so therefore, if there is any remaining unmetabolized steroid in the meat prior to cooking, cooking the meat will probably degrade most if not all the rest of the biologically active steroid.
3) Injestion limitations: If the type of steroid is not orally available, like tren, then even if eaten, it would not survive first pass through your liver. So it wouldn't matter if there were any active steroid in the meat.

I thoroughly believe that beef treated with growth hormones have no impact in the way we are thinking to the final consumer.

Make sense?

Though I agree with your overall conclusion, I have to point out that Tren does have decent oral bioavailabilty for a non-methylated steroid. Somewhere in the ballpark or 15-30%. Guys used to eat straight fina pellets and get good results.

[yungone501]

Though I agree with your overall conclusion, I have to point out that Tren does have decent oral bioavailabilty for a non-methylated steroid. Somewhere in the ballpark or 15-30%. Guys used to eat straight fina pellets and get good results.

Oh god, i can see the theads now:
"how many fina pellets per day do i eat if cycling?"

Careful what you say around low intelligence areas.