Anavar only cycle at 18? (sorry for the long post)

[Roidnewb]

I know that in the bodybuilding world it is greatly frowned upon to start cycling until you are at least 25 years old. But after months of research I think that with proper preparation and knowledge on the product taking var can have little to no side effects.

My Profile:
Weight- 170lbs
BF- 15%
Workout time: 1 year and a half
Meals:
Food---7 times a day;

Water---1 to 1.5 gallons a day. This also includes coffee, tea, crystal light, or any other drink. Do not drink soft drinks! Not even diet!

Meal 1---(as soon as you awake), 30 min. to 1 hour before morning cardio.

1 scoop of protein powder in water, (less than 4 grams of sugar per serving in protein)

Meal 2---(as soon as you finish morning cardio workout)

1 yogurt, sugar is not a issue here so enjoy, sprinkle some raw oats, and add a fruit, other than banana or watermelon. Cantaloupe rules!

Meal 3---(1/2 to 1 hour after meal 2)

1 whole eggs plus 1 egg white, ½ chicken breast, 1 servings of oatmeal. (use sweetener, not sugar and you can add blueberries, strawberries, peaches or cinnamon if you want, no bananas or watermelon, ever)

Meal 4---(3 to 4 hours after meal 3)

4 oz turkey breast or 4 oz chicken breast or 8 oz. fish, ½ cup of brown rice cooked OR ½ serving brown rice with ½ serving of black or kidney beans, 1 serving green veggies (broc, spinach, green beans) You may use salsa or hot sauce if you want.

Meal 5---(1/2 to 1 hour before afternoon workout)

1/2 apple with 1 tsp peanut butter.

Meal 6---(as soon as you finish afternoon workout)

1 scoops protein powder in water

Meal 7---(1-2 hours later)

6 oz beef or 10 oz. fish, and 2 cups of boiled broccoli or green beans or large spinach salad with no dressing.

Workout:
Weights---3 days a week, depending on schedule and how you feel. Stay in sequence as close as possible. (1 on/1 off/1 on/1 off/1 on/2 off).

Workout 1---back/chest/bicep (5 minute warm-up on elliptical)

Pushups 25,25,25 reps-----60 second rests max.

Chinups (palms in) 5,5,5 reps-----60 second rests max.

Bench Press 10,10 reps-----(zero rest) super set with DB rows, move from BP straight to Rows,then 90 sec. rest max.

DB Rows (lawnmowers) 10,10 reps

Incline BP 10,10 reps-----60 second rests max.

35 lbs kettle swings 25,25,25 reps-----(zero rest) superset with Burpees

Burpees 10,10,10 reps-----90 second rests max.

Dumbbell curls 15,15 reps-----60 second rests max.

Reverse curls 15,15 reps-----60 second rests max.

Workout 2--- legs (warm-up 15 minutes on elliptical)

Leg Press 15,15,15 reps----180 second rests max.

Leg curls 15,15,15 reps----no rest due to superset with next exercise.

Walking Lunges 10,10,10 reps----90 second rests max. (10 steps per side, back knee touches down. Use DBells)

Squats 10,10,10 reps----180 second rests max.

Workout 3--- Overall Body (10 minutes on treadmill, inclined at 10%)

Pushups 12,12,12 reps-----(no rest) superset with wind wipers

Windshield Wiper abs 25,25,25 reps------90 second rests max.

Military Press 12,12 reps-------60 second rests max.

DB Shrugs 15,15,15 reps------60 second rests max.

DB Hammer Curl 15,15 reps------no rest, superset with next exercise.

Static ab holds 60 sec x 3 sets----90 second rests max. (lay on back, raise feet 4 inches, hold for 60 sec)

Vbar tri downs 10,10 reps------no rest, superset with next exercise.

Jump Squats 20,20 reps------60 second rests max.

Pulldowns Front 12,12,12 reps---60 second rests max.

Kettle swings 20,30,40 reps---60 second rests max. (using kettlebell OR DB, in squat position, swing weight using hips as thrust until weight is eye level, control swing back between legs, and repeat)

Also Cardio 5 days a week.


I am 50/50 in taking a 40mg ed for 6 weeks. my goal is to get some body fat loss and to gain some lean muscle quickly.

Interesting article i found on the web:

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why:

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic , and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.


CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, test enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid , and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...


From this article and other research on studies of the drug I believe that the sides will be minimal. I am not claiming that i am an expert, that is exactly why I posted this. Sorry for the long post just had to make sure to get everything needed in.

[Roidnewb]

Also I would like to add that after working out for this time I can clearly see that I do not have the genetics for a muscular build. I have very high muscle hardness though, almost every muscle on my body feels like rock. No matter how much fat i drop i also barely get any cuter. If you think that I should not take them I would love it if you had a good reason of why not. I am not one of those smartasses that thinks that nothing can happen to him, I am fully aware of all the sides to some steroids , I can use all the advise I can help.

Forgot to add to my profile:
Height: 5'8 (my mom and dad are shorter than me and I have barely gown this year)

[TheClinch]

you obviously like reading....

Here is an article written by Marcus300

Read it >>>>

The young and Steroids

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Roidnewb]

would that be true even like taking all the precations possible? for example protecting myself in all those way ^^^

[ata1979]

I am in nOOOOOOOO way condoning the use of steroids at a young age just providing a little info on Anavar . Studies show that in adolescents and teens Anavar spurs growth. There is plenty of literature on it in the Internet.

[Roidnewb]

Yeah I have seen some studies as well online, that is why im not sure why some people say that it messes with your growth plates.(or something like that) and Honestly i dont wanna f*** up my body, and what im really trying to find is why not to take it

[Windex]

Your diet is absolute garbage and you clearly have not done a lot of reading. Steroids at 18 is a huge disaster. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE CYCLE, but waiting until you are 25 or older SIGNIFCANTLY lowers your chance of potential problems. And yes Anavar can and WILL shut you down. Tribulus is absolute garbage, there is no such thing as an Over the counter test booster that works. You would actually look worse eating that diet and take steroids. You'd gain probably 10-15 pounds and all of it would be fat and water. You need to re-read all the educational threads and read this thread a good 3-5 times to see how much your diet sucks:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.TjxCLmEa-wk

[gixxerboy1]

Your diet is absolute garbage and you clearly have not done a lot of reading. Steroids at 18 is a huge disaster. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SAFE CYCLE, but waiting until you are 25 or older SIGNIFCANTLY lowers your chance of potential problems. And yes Anavar can and WILL shut you down. Tribulus is absolute garbage, there is no such thing as an Over the counter test booster that works. You would actually look worse eating that diet and take steroids. You'd gain probably 10-15 pounds and all of it would be fat and water. You need to re-read all the educational threads and read this thread a good 3-5 times to see how much your diet sucks:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.TjxCLmEa-wk

X2 your diet needs work that is the issue. I give you credit it probably better then most 18 year olds.
Those extra's otc's to take with the anavar dont work

[dec11]

would that be true even like taking all the precations possible? for example protecting myself in all those way ^^^

you cant protect against shutting your system down and at your age it can be a catastrophic mistake

[warren32]

I made the mistake of taking test deca at 19. I don't know exactly what happened but my body did not do well with it. Im now 24½ yrs old and my body is reacting in a totally different way. Plus at your age a good diet and a good work out routine with may a pro hormone (vets correct me if im wrong) should do wonders for your body.

[Sicko]

All though I am impressed at the amount of research you have done it seems as if you are only listening to the parts that appeal to the pro's to running Var but ignoring the cons..I personally do not think you will benefit in any way positively enough to gamble with your future. Listen to people when they tell you that you can make huge gains at your age with the natty tes coursing thru your veins...My nephews 18 and 16 both fight mma, they had a contest to see who could drop 30 pounds first to make the divisions they wanted to fight in. Just by changing their diet and daily workout/trainig they both accomplished this in like 3months time..Both of them are in the 10ish or below bf. Only youth and kick ass testosterone production allow this kind of transformation. You have that ability to do the same with proper dicipline..Good luck....

[dec11]

I made the mistake of taking test deca at 19. I don't know exactly what happened but my body did not do well with it. Im now 24½ yrs old and my body is reacting in a totally different way. Plus at your age a good diet and a good work out routine with may a pro hormone (vets correct me if im wrong) should do wonders for your body.

im not a vet but you're very wrong, they can be even worse on the natty system. dont take these OP