What oral to kickstart test cycle requiring no liver/kidney supps?

[F4iGuy]

I've read d bol is a great way to get a test cyp/enth cyle going. I also understand you are supposed to take liver/kidney support supplements while using d bol.

Are there alternatives to D bol that are less harsh, require little or no additional support supplements, and bring strength/size in before week 4? I know there are other injectables that can be added but what about safer oral alternatives?

[gixxerboy1]

depends on what dose you run the dbol at. 30-40mg your fine

[Nuzzi]

as far as i know pretty much any oral is tough on the liver, im taking dbol right now with milk thistle and feel fine, just dont go out drinkin, about one beer a week is my limit when on orals.

[guitario]

Yeh under 30mg dbol you are fine. The effects are over exaggerated on short cycles. Just use common sense, ie, don't binge drink, drink plenty of water etc. Take a milk thistle eod and you'll be fine.

[Nooomoto]

Why the aversion to liver/kidney supps?

[Nuzzi]

dont mean to jack the thread but can you explain when you say eod for the milk thistle? the bottle i have says 2 to 3 capsules a day.

[guitario]

Some say it can interfere with the Dbol and increase the Livers defence against it. Ie lowering the strength.

[Nuzzi]

interesting

[F4iGuy]

I believe I have an allergy to milk thistle. I got real itchy skin in the past from taking it. Maybe my dose was too high?

[funkymonk]

Livercare/Liv52 is like $20 for 180 tabs. I feel like your liver is worth the investment.

[guitario]

Livercare/Liv52 is like $20 for 180 tabs. I feel like your liver is worth the investment.

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