Noob Question

[beanpole]

Hey guys so im looking to get into the steroid game , I just had a few questions for ya . Would winstrol and enanthate be a good stacker together. My overall goals are to put on mass while staying lean. My current body type is 6.0 160 , ive always been real skinny and gaining weight is rather difficult. thanks

[TheClinch]

What are your complete stats?

Height
Weight
Age
Body fat %

[brad1986]

What are your complete stats?

Height
Weight
Age
Body fat %

Doesnt really matter cuz his diet obviously sucks if he is 160lb at 6 foot. Bean pole you need to go to the diet section because without that steroid gains cannot be made or maintained

[beanpole]

Im 6,0
160
19
body fat 6%

[beanpole]

how does my diet suck?

[gixxerboy1]

how does my diet suck?

because your 6'0 and 160. Gaining weight is difficult because of your diet. Steroids cant and wont fix that. It cant add weight and make muscle out of nothing.

[songdog]

Well for one a person who has been lifting for a few years at your height would weigh over 200lbs.You are to light for your height.

[beanpole]

Okay well doesnt exactly mean my diet sucks.. my metabolism is fast . even at my weight i do well my max bench is 245

[gixxerboy1]

Okay well doesnt exactly mean my diet sucks.. my metabolism is fast . even at my weight i do well my max bench is 245

your metabolism may be fast. But still means your diet sucks for your goals. You may have to eat more then the normal 6'0 but still doesn't change the fact you have to eat more.

Why dont you post up what you typically eat for a day

[lilnba]

i agree with gixxerboy about gaining some weight b4 doing anything. take a look at the diet section, there are alot of great reads and sample diets. also if your looking to get into the roids check out the newbies starter pack. it has all you need to know and i would go for test e only on if this is ur first cycle

[TheClinch]

i agree with gixxerboy about gaining some weight b4 doing anything. Take a look at the diet section, there are alot of great reads and sample diets. also if your looking to get into the roids check out the newbies starter pack. It has all you need to know and i would go for test e only on if this is ur first cycle

horrible advice

[TheClinch]

here is some better advice written by a very respected member of this board, Marcus300. Please have a good read of this.

The young and Steroids

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

stay away from steroids for now.get your diet and training perfected and by the time you mature a little more you'll be a perfect host for the use of AAS! Good luck Bean Pie lol

[gym_junki]

i agree with gixxerboy about gaining some weight b4 doing anything. take a look at the diet section, there are alot of great reads and sample diets. also if your looking to get into the roids check out the newbies starter pack. it has all you need to know and i would go for test e only on if this is ur first cycle

Lmfao

[lilnba]

my b... u guys are right, dude is too light for steroids

[TheClinch]

my b... u guys are right, dude is too light for steroids

Concerning steroids, the more important factor for beanpole to remember is too young. Play with your diet all you want at 19. Play with steroids at 19 and you are taking what could be the biggest mistake of your life to date. Your body is flush with natural testosterone right now, utilize it and eat a proper diet. Check out the diet section, dial the eating...you're guaranteed safe growth this way at your age.

[songdog]

You got 6 years to build yourself a good base.You got to force food down to pack it on.AAS will do nothing for someone who cant eat right.its all good youngegun

[Honkey_Kong]

Beanpole, do you want to know how to gain weight? Eat. You can blame it on a fast metabolism, and maybe it's true, but I doubt it. Skinny people only remember the rare meal where they go ape shit with the food. Most of the time, they're eating once or twice a day and/or eating very small portions. I was once that skinny kid too.

Whatever you are eating, it isn't enough. Otherwise you'd weigh more than 160lbs.

On top of that, you're 19. You have no business messing with any sort of androgen. And you shouldn't need to mess with them either. You're a testosterone factory at that age. I suggest you use what you have naturally, while it's still there.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

No one wants to hear that they should wait, I can tell beanpole is no different. I am also 6'0" but my weight 215 at <10% BF, the reason is I FORCE myself to eat 8 times a day. My metabolism is extremely fast also, otherwise I would be a butterball after eating food like I do, but the fact remains if you want to weigh 200lbs you have to eat like a 200lbs person. I would LOVE to see a PRECISE breakdown of your daily intake. I am willing to bet you do not even know how many grams of protein/carbs/calories you ingest daily. The point here beanpole is that you are not ready to "get in the game" as you put it and on top of that you are still too young. As mentioned by the others, do yourself a HUGE favor, go to the diet forum and fix that 1st.

[beanpole]

Well fellas I bit the bullet and took winstrol and enanthate .. Within 6 weeks I gained 25lbs of muscle and i have been off cycle for about 6 weeks and still show the same results

[Capebuffalo]

Pct?