Im 190 now 5'9" 12% bf - i need to shread to 165lbs for mma

[DOM6]

I have 4-6 months of time, so diet and training is in check, what should i take?

prop?
prop, mast?
prop mast winny?
prop eq?

I run 5 miles a night after training and work out at 8am.
shoud i run in the morning instead?

any info would help. thanks

[Dr Pepper]

Prop, Anavar?

[DOM6]

dont want to spend the money on var

[Machinek69]

I recommend Test and var man. If you cannot afford it, im not sure what else would be available to help you reach your goals in the time frame you need.
Winstrol would definitely be your friend in the endurance
game for sure. It will harden your muscles and help you shed a bit a fat. Good luck.

[DOM6]

I recommend Test and var man. If you cannot afford it, im not sure what else would be available to help you reach your goals in the time frame you need.
Winstrol would definitely be your friend in the endurance
game for sure. It will harden your muscles and help you shed a bit a fat. Good luck.

so prop and winny?
or prop and mast?

i can for the life of me cut with test e

[DOM6]

what do you think of 600mg test e and 400mg tren e per week?

could i get to my goals on that?

[Honkey_Kong]

Are you being drug tested for this fight? Because if you are that really changes what you can and can't use.

[dec11]

why are you considering taking something like test and tren, that puts on muscle weight?

what age are you?

[Granovich]

test tren is good but it needs to have many cycles under your belt. u cant have tren for a first cycle.
i would say test prop winstrol

[DOM6]

ive ran tren before, no testing : )
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[ata1979]

You wanna drop 25 lbs and your talkin about takin prop, how do you plan on losing the weight then. If you wanna cut up go with the VAR. If you have to add something add Primo. Stay away from the Test and Tren.

[AstheticKing]

thought about epistane?
though about clen as well?

test e can be fine with a good ai and diet, i dont think dieting on cycle is always a good idea but imho it can be done right

[gixxerboy1]

why are you considering taking something like test and tren, that puts on muscle weight?

what age are you?

i agree. Start dieting

[AstheticKing]

what do you think of 600mg test e and 400mg tren e per week?

could i get to my goals on that?

wtf no u cant?? ud have to diet more than whats healthy i know i said it can be done right but u cant do it with that much gear... wtf u know this or u should

if u are gonna do test 250 as maintenace maybe 350 and diet and add a dht cutter...basics bro basics funck forget about 600 test and then tren for this application

[dec11]

id do 250mg test pw to hold muscle and restrict cals. tren would kill your cardio fitness anyhow

[Stickman123]

190 lbs and 12% bf = 22.8 lbs fat. Assuming you got to 165 lbs and 6% bf, you'd have 9.9 lbs fat....and you will have lost 12.9 lbs muscle.

You sure you want to do that?

My apologies in advance if my math is incorrect.

[DOM6]

Im made up my mind, im going to run
Prop 500wk 1-10
winny 50mg ed wk 1-8
var 50mg ed wk 1-6

and run like a mofo

[cb714]

Bro it's impossible for you to get to 165 without losing some serious muscle. If you're 190 at 12% bf that means you are 167 lean... With 0% body fat which is impossible. You're gonna have to fight a different weight class.

[DOM6]

Bro it's impossible for you to get to 165 without losing some serious muscle. If you're 190 at 12% bf that means you are 167 lean... With 0% body fat which is impossible. You're gonna have to fight a different weight class.

understandable, should i still run this cycle and see where i end up and maybe go 175, i admit i might not be 12% bf maybe 15%, ive been eating like shit the past 2.5 weeks due to vacation.

[cb714]

understandable, should i still run this cycle and see where i end up and maybe go 175, i admit i might not be 12% bf maybe 15%, ive been eating like shit the past 2.5 weeks due to vacation.

Low dose of test and low calorie diet bro. If you got 4-6 months test c,e or p should be cool. A lot of people do report less of a water bloat with test p though so that may play in your favor as far as weight goes.

[AstheticKing]

Im made up my mind, im going to run
Prop 500wk 1-10
winny 50mg ed wk 1-8
var 50mg ed wk 1-6

and run like a mofo

why not just do anadrol lol ur not gonna lose alsmost 30lbs on T500 a week and winny plus var to boot???

clen bro or 250 test and 400 primo and if u dont wanna do primo then epistane cuz u already said var was too expensive but if its not too expensive i still think ur strength will go up so much ull lift and get big seen it happen seen guys not blow up on var itself but have off what it can do for your strength...

i would blast tbol last three weeks or epistane with 250 or 300 test but whatev ur gonna wiegh 215 lbs at the end of this cycle ur gonna wake up in the morning and eat ur refridgereator lol

[AstheticKing]

this cycle will have u eating everything in sight,,,can u fight hunger on cycle?? i know i cant......

[DOM6]

i have a prop 100mg, dbol 25mg drol 25mg - 40ml on hand, injectable, i would fuking blow up though

[gixxerboy1]

i would just run a low dose test to help keep some muscle while dieting. Thats all

[DOM6]

fuk it, foodadrol

[dec11]

cant understand why you are being so scatter brained about it? lol.

once more, 250mg test and good cutting diet will do it for you

[gixxerboy1]

cant understand why you are being so scatter brained about it? lol.

once more, 250mg test and good cutting diet will do it for you

x2....

[dec11]

plus, you have a load of time to do this without losing much strength, so no excuses!

[ata1979]

Anavar will kill your appetite but I wouldn't run it together with the winny. You'll kill your liver. I you don't listen to my advice at least make sure you take milk thistle and Liv52 during your cycle.

[AstheticKing]

i would just run a low dose test to help keep some muscle while dieting. Thats all

x3 =)

[SergeantCarbs]

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