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I've had a good number of questions going through my head seeing as this is the first time I've looked into doing a cutting cycle.
I was given Decca, Prope, and Winny in pill form along with milk thistle and animal pack vitamin supplements. I was told that if I used these correctly along with my already maintained diet I would drop my weight and cut up nicely in the five week cycle. Thoughts, questions, concerns? - Tatted
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Well Bro Deca and prop are both injectables so wat I am thinking is you got some of that herb stuff.JUNK.Want to cut hit the diet section.
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The Deca and Prop I have are injectables. The winny is oral sorry if I miss typed that. Dyslexia gets the better of me sometimes.
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how old are u
BF%
weight?
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and no if u drop wieght ur dumb u have to EAT on gear, dieting shouldnt be done on cycle by the majority of AAS users but i have said in the past that it can be done right but its def not for begginers..... u can recompensate ur entire body loosen up and burn all ur fat but gain muscle if u eat healthy and enough
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25, 24% ish I think, 280, I'm also 6'6". Lose the fat then get bigger without the stumich. My diet is protein mainly boiled chicken or turkey breast every couple hours a shake or protein bar when I cant get to real food. A year and a half ago I was at 375 now the weights having issues coming off. Low weight high reps lots of cardio. 1 hour every other day on the stair machine.
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first off good job on the hard work u lost 100 pounds thats real shit so know ull definitly radically change ur body on gear but seriously think about droppin deca....get to at least 20%bf before u start the cycle..for u id say start off at 400mg test a week split in two injections with a pin no shorter than 1.5 cuz ur a big dude and do the winny the last 5 weeks of a ten week cycle and for the first 5 weeks think about doing anavar, masteron, or even epistane if u cant find those two first.......throughout ur whole cycle be sure to take arimidex or aromsin u can buy that at ar-r.com or click on the top banner
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and plz eat at least 3,500 cals a day when u doin this ur metabolism will be insanley insane like nothing u have ever probly experienced
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Thanks alot. I already was given the deca, prope, and winny. I dont really have an income right now lol. But in order to make money I need to look better for lack of better words the bussiness im in is almost all about looks and athletics for my size I have the athletics down lol.
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My other issue is I was told by my doc after receiving chemo and radiation treatments that my body may now be " messed up and in need of help" as my doc so politely put
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okay well then do the winny and test and ull be fine maybe sell off the deca and get aromasin or trade it or somthing cuz deca stays in u a long time and it wreaks havoc on ur natty test levels even after ur cycle is done imo...
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alrighty so winny and prope no deca
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WTF happened to this thread?
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Where is Bonaparte when you need him?...
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What are you on about?Originally Posted by AstheticKing
The dude is 24% BF and you're telling him to cycle.
Tatted, you don't need steroids.
Start a thread in the diet section and consider doing cardio ED not just EOD to get past your plateau.
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Thank you!
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I am glad someone jumped on this.His advice is way off.But
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whatever dudes ur gonna tell me offensive lineman dont cycle and i said get to 20% first wich is high but not everyone wants to be a bodybuilder....this guy already put in hard work..but ok flame me im fine with it cuz i know alot of guys around 20% that cycled in college ball.....so get off my ass please
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If you can't afford the ancillaries like SERMS or AI's you can't afford the PCT requirements either. If you are going to eventually use AAS at least do it correctly.
I have a feeling a person with a similar body composition will have something to add to help you push past the weight loss lull you are experiencing. This person is not me, I am a naturally lean type. My advice would be hypothetical...Sorry.
I strongly suggest that you focus on loosing more BF% before cycling. This is becuase those with higher BF% are more susceptible to estrogenic side effects while using AAS. This includes estrogen induced gyno among other things. This ideal BF% is debatable but I have read it advised on this forum many times, by the senior members here (unquotable sorry), that 15% is a decent target to begin AAS usage at.
Let the diet boys in the diet section of this forum help you out with your mission of losing fat. Post up what you eat in a typical day and ask why you can't lose more weight. They will help you in some way for sure!
A very important rule of thumb is to have everything you will need for during cycle (AAS, SERM, AI, HCG etc) and all things for PCT purchased and on hand before you start. This way you are prepared for the possible problems that can and do often arise, again, especially in those with higher BF%
Goodluck
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Shit man, I'm not even touching this one...
I've got to start worrying about my own health first (mainly BP). lol
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Don't blame you! Goodluck with the BP.
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So things I guess I can add my test levels are way low for those reasons I cant lose weight or gain muscle like a "normal dude" hence the push to try this. My Doc advised me it would be a good thing to try but do to no insurance I have no other choice then to buy what I can when I can even if I have to stock up what I can for one cycle. I appreciate everyones input either way im going to do it. My diet is fine and im in the gym 4-5 times a week benching around 400 lbs reps but by no means do I look like im able to push that. Once again sorry for being a noob but I figured this would be the best place to check before anything
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Doing a cycle is only going to drop your test levels further once its over.
Either get on HRT, or don't bother. A steroid cycle is not what your doc had in mind.
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@Bonaparte, Garlic and aspirin are really good for the BP. Oh and I'm sure if your stopped reading my posts it would drop a couple points as well
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Haha. No worries. I just use the blood pressure excuse to avoid threads that are really going to piss me off.@Bonaparte, Garlic and aspirin are really good for the BP. Oh and I'm sure if your stopped reading my posts it would drop a couple points as well
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Where did that guy come from?
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u lost 100lbs and bench over 350lbs and ur 25 years old at 25% bf....u can do a cycle they are right u are more susceptable to estro affects thats why u need to get an ai and do a strong pct...but UR DOCTOR even said it would be a good idea.....yeah my advice is WAAAAY off lol anyway dude ur gonna be a beast and theyd be jealous...run a ai and do strong pct like i said with no deca and ull get what ur after...i hate it when guys on here act like the DAMN DEA and pretend they control YOUR RIGHT to CYCLE OR NOT even though u are a good candidate for AAS....you arent the IDEAL candidate but not many people are. I SATND BY THE ADVICE I GAVE U, do ur research get down to 20% first and have a great cycle
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I'm sure offensive linemen do cycle, but he never said he is one. So that's a piss poor analogy. And I think it's pretty fair to say that most people on this site cycle/use AAS for aesthetic reasons. He's 24% BF and he put in hard work? Really? You sure you wanna stick by that statement? lol.
No one ever flamed you, so relax. We just want our members to be healthy and we give them advice to cycle safely.
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ok i will relax i just hated it when a guy who loses 100lbs and benches 400lbs gets told to goto the diet section like hes a kid and yes i will stand by saying losing that much wieght is hard without using anything or any gay ass stomach surgery.....even his doctor by OPs own words advised it...i dont spit out advice then recant it but i couldve been more cordial i suppose...i still stand by what i offered and he can take it or leave it in contrast to the rest of the advice given...
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NO. His doctor told him he had low test and could benefit from HRT. How is that the same thing as telling him to do a cycle?
HRT would be good for his long term health. A cycle would just drop his natural test levels further and then he's even more ****ed, since he can't afford to get on HRT by his own admission.
That's akin to going: "well my doctor told me that I could benefit from adderal, but I can't afford that. What of I just go on a meth binge instead? Would that help my ADD?"
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How's that ^^^ for real talk OP?
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whatever u can say what u please his doc says he could have low test and benifit from hrt.......some hrt doese are up to 400mg scripts so yeah its like the adderal meth analogy...whatever bro
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Who has a legit need for 400mg of test for HRT? The highest I've ever heard of is 300mg, and that was for an old man with androgen insensitivity or some condition.
And he was talking about using winstrol and deca, which would have no medical benefit here.
Doing a cycle would just be a 12 week bandaid, and then he's screwed since he has no money.
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I never said my doc wanted me to do hrt he wanted me to try a cycle and see how my body would react to the boosted test levels Bonaparte was the one who mentioned hrt not me or my doctor. He feels boosting then doing a post cycle of a natural test booster may work like jump starting a car. Im not trying to flame anyone or get in fights I was mearly asking for the safest way. I have liver enzymes and milk thistle as well. Once again was just checking and I had my bodyfat checked im at 18% not the previous number stated. Thank you to everyone who assisted with the information above.
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Thetatted1, you said you had radiation and chemo. What kind of cancer did you have and have you reached any 5 or 10 year cure milestones? I say this because if you're just in remission, that doesn't mean the cancer is "gone" there can still be undetectable levels of cancer in your body. Putting androgens in your body, can (with some forms of cancer) be like putting gasoline on a fire.
And a doctor that wants you to try a cycle? I've never heard of a doctor wanting their patient to do a cycle. I'd seriously get a second opinion. If you cannot afford to pay for the doctor's visit, most places have some sort of a medically indigent adult program. Look it to it immediately before you commit to anything.
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I had colon cancer. Along with chemo and rad they removed part of my intestines. While I was going through treatments they had me on oral and injectable steriod to help my body fight. I was diagnosed at 23 and after 6 months of treatment declared in remission.
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Im sorry I dont have better info alot of what happened during my treatments are hard to remember nor do I like remembering them
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which oral and injectable steroids did they prescribe you?
And that's great you survived!
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I never said my doc wanted me to do hrt he wanted me to try a cycle and see how my body would react to the boosted test levels Bonaparte was the one who mentioned hrt not me or my doctor. He feels boosting then doing a post cycle of a natural test booster may work like jump starting a car. Im not trying to flame anyone or get in fights I was mearly asking for the safest way. I have liver enzymes and milk thistle as well. Once again was just checking and I had my bodyfat checked im at 18% not the previous number stated. Thank you to everyone who assisted with the information above.
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His doctor told him to try a 5 week steroid cycle (including Deca!) to restart his HPTA and you believe him/think its a good idea?
Now I know why I was going to avoid this thread in the first place...
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Watch the BP B...
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