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    First Cycle Ever! Trying Anavar.

    I have decided to try Anavar and will be taking a low 50 mg a day dosage. I'm 200 lbs, train martial arts and play sports. I'm not expecting huge gains, I would just like to see what happens. I hope to gain a bit of lean muscle and lose some fat.

    So being that I will be taking 50 mg(5 10mg) a day should I split up the pills throughout the day? Or should I take them all at once? As well if I'm taking 50 mg a day, on the last day should I just stop taking them. Or should I slowly drop the dosage near the end of the cycle?

    I was planning on taking creatine while I take the Anavar. Should I load the creatine before I start the Anavar? As well I was told to take my creatine in the morning on non-workout days and take it after my workout on training days. Is this correct?

    I hear a lot of different things when it comes to PCT with Anavar. A lot of people say it isn't necessary, however just as many people say to go through with PCT to be safe.

    Is a liver cleanse pill necessary?

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    Stats?

    You need a test base when using Anavar . However being your first cycle I would advise against anything other than a test only cycle

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    Stats? 5'10 200 lbs. What other stats are you asking about?

    Are you saying I can't take Anavar without test?

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    How about age, BF%.

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    Sorry I am new to this. I am 29. BF on my scale says 20% but I'm not sure how accurate it is.

    I train Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, run and bike. Once in a while I train in a gym with a friend doing more of an anaerobic routine with medicine balls and other fun stuff. I hardly lift weights.

    My goals are to gain some strength and lean muscle and maybe drop some fat.

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    OK Anavar alone will do you no good bro. The goal you are trying to reach should be fairly easy to obtain naturally. Sounds like your a pretty active person which leads me to believe your diet might not be all that great. You are risking some nasty side effects at 20% bf. You need to drop to 15% or lower befor you run any form of gear. Head over to the diet section and do some research. Ones you got your diet in check you will be surprised at how fast you drop bf.

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    I will never do an Anavar only cycle again and I did it before I came to this forum. listen to the experienced guys here and read educational threads, you will feel like shit on an Anavar only cycle and your balls will shrink!
    test for the win! and as pitbullock said above it seems like you don't need AAS. personally I would never use aas for loosing fat unless I'm getting ready for a competition, it's an easy task IMO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbulllock View Post
    OK Anavar alone will do you no good bro. The goal you are trying to reach should be fairly easy to obtain naturally. Sounds like your a pretty active person which leads me to believe your diet might not be all that great. You are risking some nasty side effects at 20% bf. You need to drop to 15% or lower befor you run any form of gear. Head over to the diet section and do some research. Ones you got your diet in check you will be surprised at how fast you drop bf.
    What kind of side effects am I risking? Can you link me to read about his. You're saying its risky to take Anavar at 20% bf, but would be safer if I'm at 15% bf? I don't want to do anything risky, and that's why I chose Anavar. I bought it like 3 months ago and have been holding off on taking it. I was at 210lbs and I have been able to drop to 200lbs. I appreciate your knowledge and thank you for opening my eyes to this. I want to do a cycle, but in the safest possible manner.

    My diet is pretty damn good. I am cursed with a horrible metabolism.

    When I was 18 I was in good shape(no six pack but almost) and I weighed 190. Over the years I got lazy and went up to 270 lbs at one point. I'm now 3 years in to losing weight. It's been really hard to make any gains now that I'm at this point. And I really wanted to put on some lean muscle to help with strength and boost my metabolism.

    P.S. Whats the most accurate way to test BF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani_bono View Post
    I will never do an Anavar only cycle again and I did it before I came to this forum. listen to the experienced guys here and read educational threads, you will feel like shit on an Anavar only cycle and your balls will shrink!
    test for the win! and as pitbullock said above it seems like you don't need AAS. personally I would never use aas for loosing fat unless I'm getting ready for a competition, it's an easy task IMO!
    I have to read more about test. I have very little knowledge when it comes to steroids . I thought test was pretty bad because it can mess with your natural testosterone levels . What exactly is aas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Budds View Post
    What kind of side effects am I risking? Can you link me to read about his. You're saying its risky to take Anavar at 20% bf, but would be safer if I'm at 15% bf? I don't want to do anything risky, and that's why I chose Anavar. I bought it like 3 months ago and have been holding off on taking it. I was at 210lbs and I have been able to drop to 200lbs. get a caliper to test your bf% they can be found in most pharmacies and at supplement sotres. since you once had an "almost 6 pack" at 190 pounds I would get your bf% checked again with the caliper to know for sure. I appreciate your knowledge and thank you for opening my eyes to this. I want to do a cycle, but in the safest possible manner.

    My diet is pretty damn good. I am cursed with a horrible metabolism.[B] sounds like you are shedding weight pretty well, keep it up. taking a closer look at your diet is never a bad thing. look into the diet section here to streamline it a little. you will be surprised at what the people in the diet section can teach you.

    When I was 18 I was in good shape(no six pack but almost) and I weighed 190. Over the years I got lazy and went up to 270 lbs at one point. I'm now 3 years in to losing weight. It's been really hard to make any gains now that I'm at this point. And I really wanted to put on some lean muscle to help with strength and boost my metabolism.

    P.S. Whats the most accurate way to test BF?
    a person with a higher bf% is more susceptible to estrogenic side effects. for example gyno.

    if you use anavar, which is not a synthetic testosterone replacement , your hpta will be suppressed/shutdown so your body will not produce its own testosterone . imagine a male body with no testosterone in it... loss of energy, libido...to name a couple

    a maintenace dose of test (close to bodies own production) would be fine to keepyou feeling good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Budds View Post
    I have to read more about test. I have very little knowledge when it comes to steroids. I thought test was pretty bad because it can mess with your natural testosterone levels. What exactly is aas?
    AAS stands for anabolic -androgen steroids , and as Clinch said anavar will shut you down and your body will stop producing testosterone and you will feel very bad (i have first hand experience with it!). So Testosterone should be the base of every cycle.
    Best first time cycle is test only as you can find in educational threads, but not at 20% bodyfat. I'm personally always remain close to 10% even when I'm bulking!

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    OK first off I need to get another BF test done because I don't know how accurate my scale is. I will make a goal to get to 15% before I even think of taking any of these steroids .

    Does test need to be injected or can you take it orally? As well, what are the long-term side effects of test at low levels? That is what I would be most concerned with. What would you guys suggest for a test and anavar dosage?

    And btw I'm not using Anavar to get rid of fat. I mainly want to gain lean muscle mass which will in turn help me boost my metabolism. I could also use more strength.

    What is the best way to get BF tested?

    Thank you for all the information. I have a lot more research to do now.

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    A lotta people here will tell you that your first cycle has to be test because it was written in the 10 commandments that way.
    While test is usually ideal for a first cycle, I feel Anavar is the second best choice. Its light, the gains are quality and always the user to get a feel of what steroids are about before trying the heavier stuff. Someone above said Anavar will shut you down and you will feel like crap on it. Anavar will shut you down, but much lighter than any other AAS. A clomid only PCT is more than enough. You also will feel slight fatigue after your second week but thats only until you step foot in the gym.

    I think your decision to drop down to 15% before your cycle is a very good one. Anavar does help get rid of fat. But the lower your BF is the more effective it will be at carving you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ata1979 View Post
    a lotta people here will tell you that your first cycle has to be test because it was written in the 10 commandments that way.
    ahhaha !

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    imho u prob won't be satisfied with results from just anavar anyways, id probably keep reading more and continue trying to perfect your diet. Don't know what the expiry is like on anavar but you would be happier adding it to your test in your second cycle when your ready. Anavar is prob the easiest on your liver but all orals are still hard on the liver.

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    A little exaggeration here about sides of Anavar ??

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    polly want a cracker?...for all you parrots out there it is perfectly fine to do a anavar cycle solo... again is it optimum, no..will there be better results stacked with test?, yes... will it shut down my bodys natural test production if run solo?...it will suppress your hpta but will not compleatly shut it down(but if stacked with test shutdown is eminent)...its really your choice bro..again the advise you have recieved in this thread isnt wrong per say but peeps tend to use a one size fits all protocal for all compounds when giving advise specialy when it comes to oral only cycles...

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    but forget about the sides dude, u prob won't be satisfied with gains from the oral alone, ur better off just waiting and doing test by itself for a first cycle, i know so many people that do an oral cycle only and every single person agrees that it is just a waste of the oral

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    I havnt seen anywhere where that you do any kind of weight training!I hope you aint looking to use AAS just as a fat loss thing.With all the different things you are doing if you just ate right you would be fine.As we get older or metabolism slows down and we just cant eat the same as when we were younger.I believe all you need to do is get your diet in check.Hit the diet section bro.Post your diet tell them wat you are trying to do and they will hook you up.

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    ya weight trainning is kind of important lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ata1979 View Post
    A lotta people here will tell you that your first cycle has to be test because it was written in the 10 commandments that way.
    While test is usually ideal for a first cycle, I feel Anavar is the second best choice. Its light, the gains are quality and always the user to get a feel of what steroids are about before trying the heavier stuff. Someone above said Anavar will shut you down and you will feel like crap on it. Anavar will shut you down, but much lighter than any other AAS. A clomid only PCT is more than enough. You also will feel slight fatigue after your second week but thats only until you step foot in the gym.

    I think your decision to drop down to 15% before your cycle is a very good one. Anavar does help get rid of fat. But the lower your BF is the more effective it will be at carving you out.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    polly want a cracker?...for all you parrots out there it is perfectly fine to do a anavar cycle solo... again is it optimum, no..will there be better results stacked with test?, yes... will it shut down my bodys natural test production if run solo?...it will suppress your hpta but will not compleatly shut it down(but if stacked with test shutdown is eminent)...its really your choice bro..again the advise you have recieved in this thread isnt wrong per say but peeps tend to use a one size fits all protocal for all compounds when giving advise specialy when it comes to oral only cycles...
    2 good posts here!
    There are many ways to screw a whore. (I think thatīs how the saying goes)

    Adding test to an Anavar cycle is not a bad idea, but many ways of doing it.
    HCG is one way, and you will also add the benefits of keeping your own production going as the Anavar will affect the Pituitary to a certain degree.
    The degree will wary from person to person.

    I know guys here will laugh, but adding Test with Testogel is perfectly fine. Testogel will easily maintain a medium to high level of test on a normal scale.
    If your walkaround test is 500. Raising it to 800 will give you noticeable gains.

    PCT is always a good idea. Here I would probably try 4 weeks of 20mg Nolv ED.

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    Ok but still how much gains is he really going to expect on anavar only at 50mg, especially when he hardly hits the weights? i would think anything noticable will just be in his head from just working harder.

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    You should really include some lifting in your routine if you are going this route. Strengthening will help all of your other activities too even if you don't run AAS. Even when I was running marathons and running 50-60 miles a week I would hit the weights 3 times a week- it made me faster and helps prevent injuries from weakened areas that need other muscle groups to over compensate. Anavar is mild and probably wont shut you down completely if you run it alone. I still don't think ts a great idea. I also don't think var is the magic pill that most new people to AAS think. The write up in the educational thread makes it sound like the fountain of youth.

    As said above, I think diet is your best bet when it comes to leaning out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    polly want a cracker?...for all you parrots out there it is perfectly fine to do a anavar cycle solo... again is it optimum, no..will there be better results stacked with test?, yes... will it shut down my bodys natural test production if run solo?...it will suppress your hpta but will not compleatly shut it down(but if stacked with test shutdown is eminent)...its really your choice bro..again the advise you have recieved in this thread isnt wrong per say but peeps tend to use a one size fits all protocal for all compounds when giving advise specialy when it comes to oral only cycles...
    times 50 ^^^^^^^

    Think posters get confused about why peopole add test to a cycle,,, a Test only cycle is way harsher on your system than a anavar only cycle.

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    ok but still 50 mg of anavar only with no weight training just cardeo isn't going to do much

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