Starting steroids what should I take

[Msdmanmark]

Hi, I have been thinking about taking steroids for sum time now, and feel as though the time has come, i need to know what to take, i would prefer tablets for now and maybe move onto the needle, but am open to both, my goal is to be big and have bulging muscles not after the perfect athlete body i want to be hench, I have been working out properly for about 4 months but have previously spent much longer in a fitness routine, I have just lost 2 stone in weight and gone from a 42 inch waist to a 36, most of my cardio is done out of the gym with ice skating and now karate, I will work to the best programe. I just want to know what to take and how much and how to take, I have asthma and I understand the risks of any steroid . Thanks sorry long message just trying to give all the details.

[marcus300]

What are your stats?

You need alot more than 4 months worth of training under your belt, your talking years to build a foundation so your at a level to take steroids . I would do alot more research on training styles and methods and also head over to the diet section and post your diet, this area will need alot of work. If you start training and eating like a BB you will start building muscle but to be honest steroids are not for you at this stage.

Take a read of this -

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

[Msdmanmark]

Ok thanks I think lol

[Msdmanmark]

Oh and my stats are 5'7 and I'm 207 pounds "US" if that makes a difference or 14 stone 8 pounds. I train alot n put alot of work in but seem to just be hitting a wall, I want to be able to pick up bigger weights but just cant, n I push myself probably to hard. I currently take muscle fury protien powder and reflex BCAA tablets, my diet is not perfect but is pretty good, lots of fish chicken salads brown rice, oats and no bread or high sugar carbs.

[yungone501]

Age???
Any cycle experience???
Whats your diet like???
Do you own a unicorn???

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

I can tell by your post that you are young and do not have enough experience to be considering this. Best advice is to head over to the diet section and figure out how to eat properly and also get a routine that you respond to best. 4 months in the gym means you know next to nothing about how your body reacts to certain exercises and what works best for you.

AAS are no substitue for HARD work.

[Dave01]

I can tell by your post that you are young and do not have enough experience to be considering this. Best advice is to head over to the diet section and figure out how to eat properly and also get a routine that you respond to best. 4 months in the gym means you know next to nothing about how your body reacts to certain exercises and what works best for you.

AAS are no substitue for HARD work.

Are you kidding me? AAS is no substitution for "HARD work". Well if that was the case no would use them. Steroids give amazing gains compared to natural. Sure on steroids you must have very solid training and nutrition otherwise it's not worth taking because you get get tons of better gains when you come back when you know what you're doing. But come on don't feed him crap like that. I seriously can't believe that crap you're just saying anything to scare him and are bending facts

I agree that he need mor time in the gym before he takes them. OP do your research on steroids. I'm talking about reading about how the body works and why yo need the things you do. Don't listen to some guy who tells you you must do this. It's your body and for you to decide. Read up on how things work instead of reading some people saying biased things.

Get your traing and nutrition sorted. Train a couple years natty while researching up on steroids. Make your decision on what you're going to do yourself and do it. Good luck

[songdog]

Someone needs to ban this troll.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Are you kidding me? AAS is no substitution for "HARD work". Well if that was the case no would use them. Steroids give amazing gains compared to natural. Sure on steroids you must have very solid training and nutrition otherwise it's not worth taking because you get get tons of better gains when you come back when you know what you're doing. But come on don't feed him crap like that. I seriously can't believe that crap you're just saying anything to scare him and are bending facts

This is by far one of the most retarded replies I have ever read. Who is bending facts? 4 months in and he wants to cycle? He needs to put in some more WORK, hence the comment. You think I am comparing natural to juiced? Idiotic assumption! He is CLEARLY looking for that "magic pill" which AAS are not.

[Dave01]

What are your stats?

You need alot more than 4 months worth of training under your belt, your talking years to build a foundation so your at a level to take steroids . I would do alot more research on training styles and methods and also head over to the diet section and post your diet, this area will need alot of work. If you start training and eating like a BB you will start building muscle but to be honest steroids are not for you at this stage.

Take a read of this -

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

I'm going to see how I do on this little test jsut for fun. Wish me luck guys!

TRAINING

I've been traing for 7 years with very good knowledge on training and nutrition. I've got to the stage where gains are very slow actually. I'm sure that after 7 years my body is very used to it. Not to mention I done stuff when I was 14. lmaoat sayingyou need to reach your genetic limit. That would take like 10 years. Did Arnold wait til he hit his "genetic limit"? No he didn't. He took them at 15 years old. Why wuld you wait until then? There is no reasoning or proff for that at all. The bro science is very strong when you say that . I agree to focuss on POP with training. Focuss mainly on heavy compounds when a beginner. Train with intensity and learn what works for you

DIET

My nutrution is excellent and it shows. I have tried all different way of eating my macros, I eat allot of clean food to get micro nutrients, I eat a good amount of calories when bulking and know how to cut effectively for my body. I actually have journal for my nutirion as well. IIFYM for the win I guess because guess what, It's by far given me the best gains. I'd say I passed the test here!

AGE

This should be interesting.

The risk of suppression on the HPTA and all the libido issues, depression etc are the same for a 25 year old. You think just because you're 25 you'll avoid that? Well you may if you're sensible but you could be sensible at 21 as well. Even if you're natty test levels are at their highest then who cares. If you've reached the point where you struggle to gain because you've got so much natty mass then higher natty test levels won't make a difference.

I don't think there has ever been a study showing steroids stunt growth. If there is then please show me. I don't believe that the average age you are fully grown is 21. That's bs. Most teens atop growing around 17 and it is very rare for someone tokeep growing after their teens. Some guys haven't grown since they were 15. I know I stopped growing at 17/18. I would never recommend someone younger than 21 because I think they could wait a little longer and train as a natty for longer however if they're set against it and know what they're doing, then there's not really much you can do apart fromhelp them and keep them safe eh?

Isn't the answer to looking like their heros an injection/tablet but? Good luck looking like Arnold Schwarenegger without taking steroids lol.

If you are sensible and take moderate amounts with good time off after cycles then you will more than likely go back to normal after a while off. There are studies showing people go back to normal after 18 months on after only a few months off. Not to mention if you have a very good PCT then I'd bet you'll be fine. Unless you are one of the very low % who react very badly to steroids or have low test and shouldn't be taking them to begin with.

Show me a study proving you must be 25. I think the risks are the same for a 21 year old as a 25 year old and all this forum propaganda of 25 is blown into such a state it's unreal. There are guys who took them at 18 and never had sides because they used safely.

I'm 22 and am going to use them safely, with a good PCT with lots of time off after cycle to get test levels and bloods back to normal. Unless I get a very good reason why not with studis then I'll see you at the other end

Oh and my little bro is 19 and I think he could use safely. I disagree with his choice but we'll see. I'lldo my best to help him

[Dave01]

Yea because AAS are not magic pills. LOL they give you superhuman levels of test of course they are amazing. Talk bs. Oh and by the way I told the OP to wait a couple of years and get his training and nutrition sorted. Guys like you are the real idiots of AAS. lol steroids are not a magic pill. They work wonders what a load of crap

[yungone501]

Dave, youre misinterprating (spelling) his words here buddy. He's saying that steroids are not a substitute for lack of diet/training. Those are key elements in order to make justifiable gains using gear. If two people are using gear and one has his diet in check and is making excellent gains...this is justifiable. The other has a poor diet and makes minimal gains...NOT justifiable. The reason is because if person #2 had just fixed his diet in the first place, the use of gear would not be required to start with. No substitute for diet is indeed VERY true.

[Dave01]

I'm going to see how I do on this little test jsut for fun. Wish me luck guys!

TRAINING

I've been traing for 7 years with very good knowledge on training and nutrition. I've got to the stage where gains are very slow actually. I'm sure that after 7 years my body is very used to it. Not to mention I done stuff when I was 14. lmao at saying you need to reach your genetic limit. That would take like 10 years. Did Arnold wait until he hit his "genetic limit"? No he didn't. He took them at 15 years old. Why wuld you wait until then? There is no reasoning or proof for that at all. The bro science is very strong when you say that . I agree to focuss on POP with training. Focuss mainly on heavy compounds when a beginner. Train with intensity and learn what works for you

DIET

My nutrution is excellent and it shows. I have tried all different way of eating my macros, I eat allot of clean food to get micro nutrients, I eat a good amount of calories when bulking and know how to cut effectively for my body. I actually have journal for my nutirion as well. IIFYM for the win I guess because guess what, It's by far given me the best gains. I'd say I passed the test here!

AGE

This should be interesting.

The risk of suppression on the HPTA and all the libido issues, depression are the same for a 25 year old. You think just because you're 25 you'll avoid that? Well you may if you're sensible but you could be sensible at 21 as well. Even if you're natty test levels are at their highest then who cares. If you've reached the point where you struggle to gain because you've got so much natty mass then higher natty test levels won't make a difference.

I don't think there has ever been a study showing steroids stunt growth. If there is then please show me. I don't believe that the average age you are fully grown is 21. That's bs. Most teens atop growing around 17 and it is very rare for someone tokeep growing after their teens. Some guys haven't grown since they were 15. I know I stopped grwoing at 17/18. I would never recommend someone younger than 21 because I think they could wait a little longer and train as a natty for longer however if they're set against it and know what they're doing, then there's not really much you can do eh?

Isn't the answer to ook like their heros an injection/tablet. Good luck looking like Arnold Schwarenegger without taking steroids lol.

If you are sensible and take moderate aounts with time off cycle then you will more than likely go back to normal after a while off. There are studies showing people go back to normal after 18 months on after only a few months on. Not to mention if you have a very good PCT then I'd bet you'll be fine. Unless you are one of the very low % who react very badly to steroids or have low test and shouldn't be taking them to begin with.

There have been 18 year olds who take steroids sensibly and have been fine without ever getting problems. Once again my mate had his kid on steroids on a very heavy test/deca /dbol cycle. Some people over estimate how bad it is. Some guys may get very bad sides but guess what they're using them in a stupid way and probably were in the very small % of people who react badly to steroids and maybe had very low test naturally already and shouldn't be touching steroids.

I'm taking them at 22 with a good PCT, time off cycle to get my bloods and test levels back to normal, am taking sensible doses and unless I get a very good reason with actual studies then I'll see you at the other end

My little bro is 19 ad he's taking them. I disagree with his decision but he's had test, knows what he is doing and how to use sensibly. All I can do is help him stay safe instead of giving him crappy bs horror stories. I'll do my best to help him.

I guess I pass this. Infact I passed most of this 2 years ago

[Dave01]

Dave, youre misinterprating (spelling) his words here buddy. He's saying that steroids are not a substitute for lack of diet/training. Those are key elements in order to make justifiable gains using gear. If two people are using gear and one has his diet in check and is making excellent gains...this is justifiable. The other has a poor diet and makes minimal gains...NOT justifiable. The reason is because if person #2 had just fixed his diet in the first place, the use of gear would not be required to start with. No substitute for diet is indeed VERY true.

Of course you need good training and nutrition before you start a cycle. Otherwise you're wasting your time and ar an idiot. However to say they are no substitiute for hard work is just a pack of lies.

I've had an amazing diet for 7 years and have tried all differnt types of stuff to see what works for me. Get your diet sorted and learn what works for you

[yungone501]

Of course you need good training and nutrition before you start a cycle. Otherwise you're wasting your time and ar an idiot. However to say they are no substitiute for hard work is just a pack of lies.

I've had an amazing diet for 7 years and have tried all differnt types of stuff to see what works for me. Get your diet sorted and learn what works for you

Yes, true. But were talking to beginners here that more then likely just looking for an easy out. We all want to clarify (what vets look at as fundamentals) that there must me solid foundations in both diet/training and not misleading them by saying The wrong things here. Remember man, longtime users know these things already. Most beginners DO NOT. They know only what the media and society tell them, you know?

[Dave01]

Yes, true. But were talking to beginners here that more then likely just looking for an easy out. We all want to clarify (what vets look at as fundamentals) that there must me solid foundations in both diet/training and not misleading them by saying The wrong things here. Remember man, longtime users know these things already. Most beginners DO NOT. They know only what the media and society tell them, you know?

Yea I know and I agree with you.

Some of these "vets" are ridiculous. Guys who started at 18 and were fine yet still claim that if you're under 25 you're fuked. I'm convinced that they are just guys from the media or something lol.

When used sensibly and correct with proper knowledge then they are actually pretty safe. What's worse for you, getting smashed every weekend or maybe 2 well planned, moderate doesed, good PCT cycles with regular blood testing by a doctor. If you picked option 1 then I'm very surprised.

Some of these vets know shiit. The best way to PCT is to get your bloods tested and get back to normal with time off. PCT drugs will be a very good aid but come on you guys we're going from superhuman levels of testosterone to normal amounts. Of course you will get side effects. But you will very likely go back to normal after time off. There are studies showing this. Unless you are very unlucky/idiot who done a terrible cycle with a shiit PCT (even thses guys will most likely be quite fine after time) then you should go back to normal

If you can sleep, fuk, have normal libido, don't feel depressedthen you are likely fine or are close to being fine no matter if you're 21 years old or 25 years old.

[yungone501]

Thats just it. Thats why we all should scare the sh*t out of the youngsters... But scare them with actuality of what could and does happen. Youre not a long time member and neither am i. But, in the few years ive been here do you know how many threads ive seen with the young all scared shitless because they havent had a sex drive in years, or are depressed, or have no physical motivation anymore due to test deficiency. When we coach here, we do it in a way that simply educates. Some do try and bs with ficticious tactics that are super exagerated but never the less, its all for a purpose.

[SlimmerMe]

Of course you need good training and nutrition before you start a cycle. Otherwise you're wasting your time and ar an idiot. However to say they are no substitiute for hard work is just a pack of lies.

I've had an amazing diet for 7 years and have tried all differnt types of stuff to see what works for me. Get your diet sorted and learn what works for you

Many come here thinking there is a magic pill/ syringe. Plus the truth of the matter is this: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HARD WORK! PLAIN AND SIMPLE. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

[Dave01]

Thats just it. Thats why we all should scare the sh*t out of the youngsters... But scare them with actuality of what could and does happen. Youre not a long time member and neither am i. But, in the few years ive been here do you know how many threads ive seen with the young all scared shitless because they havent had a sex drive in years, or are depressed, or have no physical motivation anymore due to test deficiency. When we coach here, we do it in a way that simply educates. Some do try and bs with ficticious tactics that are super exagerated but never the less, its all for a purpose.

I completely disagree with you. If guys had helped these people in the first place then maybe they wouldn't have overdosed or done something stupid.

I don't know what these kids must have done to "not get a boner in years". To be honest I smell total bs. These guys must have been on some terrible amount without blood testing or anything. In fact I bet these guys had very low test to begin with and they shouldn't have had touched steroids . probably were just taking them year round

Seriously there is like 1% chance that you won't be fine on a sensible cycle.

1-12 test e 500mgs/week
1-5 30 mgs dbol /day
1-15 arimidex 0.5 mgs e3d
2-14 HCG 500 ius/ week
15-18 nolva 20/20/20/20

5-6 motnhs off before doing another cycle

Do you actually think this cycle would be hard to recover from.

If you talk bs then bs will spread and guess what it makes more people think steroids are fror monsters. So thanks for that

[Dave01]

Many come here thinking there is a magic pill/ syringe. Plus the truth of the matter is this: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HARD WORK! PLAIN AND SIMPLE. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

It's obvious you haven't actually read what I said.Listen I meant that if you're at you're "natty limit" then you can't just do hard work. You need steroids .

How about this.

Learn how to diet/train. Do it natty for a couple years.

Then combine both hard work and steroids

= win

[marcus300]

I completely disagree with you. If guys had helped these people in the first place then maybe they wouldn't have overdosed or done something stupid.

I don't know what these kids must have done to "not get a boner in years". To be honest I smell total bs. These guys must have been on some terrible amount without blood testing or anything. In fact I bet these guys had very low test to begin with and they shouldn't have had touched steroids . probably were just taking them year round

Seriously there is like 1% chance that you won't be fine on a sensible cycle.

1-12 test e 500mgs/week
1-5 30 mgs dbol /day
1-15 arimidex 0.5 mgs e3d
2-14 HCG 500 ius/ week
15-18 nolva 20/20/20/20

5-6 motnhs off before doing another cycle

Do you actually think this cycle would be hard to recover from.

If you talk bs then bs will spread and guess what it makes more people think steroids are fror monsters. So thanks for that

PLEASE IGNORE THE ABOVE POST

Your profile states 20yrs old,

you have zero experience and zero knowledge on the subject IMHO,

The OP as been training 4 months regardless of his age, he's been training 4 months and your advicing him to take steroids

[yungone501]

Im not saying to bs them but do inform the of possible outcomes when that person is in no shape or form reay to be cycling in first place. I think youre misunderstanding me here slim. Im not advocating the whole bs thing but we def do need to give the guys a reality check if they refuse to listen or are being hard headed about using no matter what. As for the whole not having a sex drive for years...who knows why? Maybe cycling at 18 would be the simplest guess. :-)

[SlimmerMe]

Im not saying to bs them but do inform the of possible outcomes when that person is in no shape or form reay to be cycling in first place. I think youre misunderstanding me here slim. Im not advocating the whole bs thing but we def do need to give the guys a reality check if they refuse to listen or are being hard headed about using no matter what. As for the whole not having a sex drive for years...who knows why? Maybe cycling at 18 would be the simplest guess. :-)

I was quoting Dave, not you Yungone~

Dave needs to learn.

[songdog]

I like when she takes time off from the beach to set things stright

[yungone501]

I was quoting Dave, not you Yungone~

Dave needs to learn.

I see that now. I tend to read posts too fast and answer too quickly.

[SlimmerMe]

I like when she takes time off from the beach to set things stright

That's because I have a few private beach blanket buddies who give me heads up! Let's go surfing and sing into the waves SongDog!

I see that now. I tend to read posts too fast and answer too quickly.

NP! I do the same thing sometimes. Glad we have an edit button!

[yungone501]

^^^
your mercy is kind and has no limits. :-)

[SlimmerMe]

^^^
your mercy is kind and has no limits. :-)

Sweet...very sweet. Thanks Yungone!

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Of course you need good training and nutrition before you start a cycle. Otherwise you're wasting your time and ar an idiot. However to say they are no substitiute for hard work is just a pack of lies.

Do you even read what you type? So based on what YOU said, you CAN substitue AAS for hard work?

So go on cycle and eat crap and work out 20 min 3x a week and you are GOLDEN?!!? People like you seriously need reconsider your advice given out to young members cuz your advice makes absolutely no sense. I have the OPs health and have his best interests at heart when I give advice. What do you have? Pointless comments and unfounded assumptions... Plus you want to start a flame war just because you "THINK" you understood what I meant by HARD WORK?? How about you turn all this negative energy of yours into something constructive...

[lc1213]

IMO the OP isn't ready for aas based on his workout history of 4 months. a person needs a good couple of years of solid training before doing a cycle. his tendons and ligaments probably would suffer from the gradual increase in weight and intensity. diet is critical as well. kind of like putting race fuel in a pinto. it will run like a scalded dog but without the proper internals in the engine, something will definately break.