Short ester cycle - Test p / NPP

**FCVtec** · 08-17-2011, 12:38 PM

5'7'' 191 28yr old. 11% bf
Hey fellas, I am planning my next cycle here and wanted to try something different this time around. I did some research on NPP (Nandrolone PP) last few days and everyone seem to like it a lot. I always ran mostly long ester cycles with test e and c, used tren E as well but now wanna give a 9 week Test P / NPP cycle a shot for next run. I already got 40cc of NPP on the way lol..
Dunno why I spent the money if I am not touching it for months but I want to have it already.

Test P 125mg EOD weeks 1 - 9
Nandrolone PP 125mg EOD weeks 1 -9
Anastrozol .25mg e3d (just enough to keep gyno away 4 me)

PCT will be a CLOMID 50/50/50/25/25
NOLVA 40/40/20/20/20

I might even do a 4 week pct since is a 9 week cycle and not my usual 14 weeks, is a 4 week PCT too short?

Is there really a necessity to PIN ED? Can that really make a difference on gains? NPP releases for 4 days and prop for 2 - 3 i think right?

**glover** · 08-17-2011, 12:59 PM

Hey FCV, I use NPP and Prop for most of my cycles because of very limited water weight gain. I do not pin ED but go EOD as you are proposing. I don't think the gains are going to be noticeably better if you go everyday vs eod. I have only done ed once and did not see much dif, however the injects get old faster at ed.

I would suggest you take a little more prop than NPP. Maybe bump your npp down to 100 eod or your prop up to 150 eod either way should work. Your four week PCT is not to short in fact I have recovered well on shorter pct with just nolva and running Hcg during cycle.

And I always use Var or winny with my cycle. Why no oral for yours?

**FCVtec** · 08-17-2011, 08:00 PM

I know it may look like a cutting cycle but I was trying to bulk. Wanted to give short ester cycles a try, even if just to run a different cycle. I believe I can bulk on that cycle if my diet is right without all the water weight. VAR would be great if I was trying to cut but I think it may keep me from gaining some lbs.... Keep in mind I will only be interested in bulking till i reach 210(I still keep my abs thou I am a crazy ecto land gotta eat a lot).

Glover??You think VAR would allow me to still bulk up? I actually like VAR. I am not trying to gain 20 pounds in one shot, I already look pretty big for my height and lean at the same time, I just wanna put a little more quality muscle in without all the water and slowly work my way up over 200lb.

Any other have anything to say about results on npp?? I would love to hear some feedback on NPP since i have never tried it befor

**Lemonada8** · 08-17-2011, 09:17 PM

I am going to do NPP and prop for my next cycle. However i am goin to pin ED and prolly slightly more NPP than prop.

Are you goin to use HCG during your cycle? it would be a good idea to do so

**FCVtec** · 08-17-2011, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

I am going to do NPP and prop for my next cycle. However i am goin to pin ED and prolly slightly more NPP than prop.

Are you goin to use HCG during your cycle? it would be a good idea to do so

Yes, I am using hcg , forgot to mention it. Will be doing 500iu 2x week starting on week 2 of cycle all the way up to pct. Is there a reason to run more NPP than Test? Is that how it is usually done? What will be ur NPP dosage Lemonada?

**FCVtec** · 08-17-2011, 09:57 PM

Anybody with NPP cycles under their belt?

**Choppers** · 08-18-2011, 02:38 AM

I did exactly the same cycle and doses last year. My problem was I ate too little, then too much and put on some fat. Either way my experience was: crazy strength increases almost instantly from the Npp, good bulk going on with sufficient food, limited sides (sex was a bit futile) irrespective of the prop, lean gains with the right diet/calories. No temper/frustration issues for me at those doses. All in all a great cycle. Where I went wrong was with the diet and just eating way too much for my size. Gains started off lean. Had some minor acne on shoulders/chest/back but that was the Test.

Gains wise I think I put on about 15 pounds in 6 weeks at the doses above. Would definitely run NPP again but higher dose. maybe 100mg ED npp and 50mg prop ED. Insane strength increases and that was def the NPP. Will be keen to see what you think.

**The Titan99** · 08-18-2011, 04:25 AM

Sorry, I know your looking for someone who's done it, but I'm like the rest, I have Test Prop/NPP/Dbol already in hand for my next bulk, probably in November. Right now I'm on a slow cut and can't wait to get back to bulking. Been running a lot of Tren cycles the last year and will really be happy to set that aside for a while and get back to the lean bulking!!! (Really just subbing the thread...

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**FCVtec** · 08-18-2011, 07:50 AM

So now I am starting to think prop 100mg eod and NPP 150mg eod --- How's is the NPP on the hair loss? How does it compare to a TRen and Test cycle for hairloss? (I know I wil shave my head eventually but I am trying to delay that LOL.

Originally Posted by Choppers

I did exactly the same cycle and doses last year. My problem was I ate too little, then too much and put on some fat. Either way my experience was: crazy strength increases almost instantly from the Npp, good bulk going on with sufficient food, limited sides (sex was a bit futile) irrespective of the prop, lean gains with the right diet/calories. No temper/frustration issues for me at those doses. All in all a great cycle. Where I went wrong was with the diet and just eating way too much for my size. Gains started off lean. Had some minor acne on shoulders/chest/back but that was the Test.

Gains wise I think I put on about 15 pounds in 6 weeks at the doses above. Would definitely run NPP again but higher dose. maybe 100mg ED npp and 50mg prop ED. Insane strength increases and that was def the NPP. Will be keen to see what you think.

15lb in 6 weeks in very nice. I am looking forward to this cycle.

**Choppers** · 08-18-2011, 03:06 PM

I have to say I much prefer the npp than purely test on it's own. The strength increases alone were huge and even an extra 20kg-40kg on the incline leg press each session was perfectly comfortable once blood levels had stabilized.

At first I was sure my gear was bunk and then I started eating and the weight piled on. I did plenty of background reading on the npp and had yet to find a bad report on it. You should do a log in the members cycles section. So far npp is my fave AAS (though yet to try Tren )

**stpete** · 08-18-2011, 03:25 PM

Good cycle. I've ran it a few times and got nice results. EOD injections are just fine. And yeah, i'd run the npp higher than the prop too. 150 and 100 respectively is a good combo.
Good luck!

**carbo** · 08-18-2011, 03:39 PM

I thought NPP stands for No Penis Please?!

**FCVtec** · 08-18-2011, 03:39 PM

You guys getting me pumped about this, like in CHOPPER's case my research also only turns out good things on NPP. I have tried Tren and used it few times with great results, I must say Tren A is my favorite steroid so far but the hair on my head hates Tren LOL. I will still run it again(I know... I will shave my head soon when it gets bad enough" Ugh!). I will most definitely do a log on it when I start the cycle.

If there are others with experience on it I would like to hear more, tanks for he replies so far!

**FCVtec** · 08-18-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by carbo

I thought NPP stands for No Penis Please?!

Let's hope not. The test will probably take care of that.

**Far from massive** · 08-18-2011, 05:13 PM

I have run regular nandro IE the Deca type and it has been easier on the hair than tren though they are of course both 19 nors. While many old school threads support a higher test dose to help lessen libido sides while on cycle, I agree with the higher NPP approach to let the NPP do the work. One of the main reasons for this is that by keeping estro low by controlling the aromatization of test the nandro sides are much easier to avoid as high estro almost always is the start of nandro sides, so by limiting the test its usually not a problem. So you are a lot better off having less libido for 2 months while on than having to battle nandro sides...your girl friend may not be happy with you having a lessened sexual desire.. on the other hand you start lactating and she will be gone for good ;-)

**FCVtec** · 08-18-2011, 05:48 PM

I hear that! I don't think my wife would leave me but I still wouldn't wanna be lactating dude. So I guess 150 mg npp and 100 mg test is whats gonna happen.
I was just thinking, usually is recommended to get off deca 2 weeks before test e or c, should I run prop a couple days longer than the NPP or maybe even a week longer?

**glover** · 08-19-2011, 06:59 AM

I always liked the Var for the strength gain. And I also like to stay lean. My avatar is me after an NPP/Prop/Var cycle. Your strength will be great you will look lean and still fit in your current clothes. I just like the feeling of more test but I am 48 so I need it more than you. It looks fine from here. I don't think you even need prop for a week after your thru with NPP. Just get on your PCT that should fix everything just fine.

My blood pressure tends to get high on this and that causes ED problems but I have never experienced libido problems except during PCT and only for a brief time.

Another thing to consider. I never used to change needles but after trying it I recommend drawing and then injecting with new needles helps with soreness when going EOD. I use a 25g to inject and rotate four spots.

Good luck. You'll love it.

**FCVtec** · 08-19-2011, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by glover

I always liked the Var for the strength gain. And I also like to stay lean. My avatar is me after an NPP/Prop/Var cycle. Your strength will be great you will look lean and still fit in your current clothes. I just like the feeling of more test but I am 48 so I need it more than you. It looks fine from here. I don't think you even need prop for a week after your thru with NPP. Just get on your PCT that should fix everything just fine.

My blood pressure tends to get high on this and that causes ED problems but I have never experienced libido problems except during PCT and only for a brief time.

Another thing to consider. I never used to change needles but after trying it I recommend drawing and then injecting with new needles helps with soreness when going EOD. I use a 25g to inject and rotate four spots.

Good luck. You'll love it.

THanks for the input... You look crazy good on that pic man! I always changed pins after drawing(since my second cycle). I will probably go with 25G for the thinner short esters and rotate Glutes, quads, shoulders... THat should do the job. Dont know if I am gonna spend the money on VAR. I have to put out few hundreds every month for my pharma grade HGH, i got on 2 months ago and I am loving it, and pharma grade Breaks the bank LOL.