starting my first cycle monday of Prop & Var (pics soon to come)

[flyguy6661]

STATS:
age:21
height:6'
weight:180lb's
bodyfat:10%
training: 3 years naturall

starting my first cycle monday (lean bulk)

.week 1-8 pinning propionate 100mg EOD left glute/right glute/left quad/right quad/left shoulder/right shoulder.
.week 1-8 anavar 50mg ED
PCT
.week 8-12 nolvadex 40/40/20/20
.week 8-12 clomid 100/100/50/50
AI - arimidex (wont use unless i have to)

GOAL: add about 10-12 lb's lean muscle & drop down to about 8% b.f

DIET: 30% protein/50% carbs/20% natty fats
main protein source: egg whites,fish,chicken breasts & cottage cheese
main carb source: Oats,brown rice & bananas
main fat source: avacardo pear,nuts, extra virgin olive oil & PB
consuming 5-6 meals ED & roughly 3500 caleries ED

TRAINING:
monday:chest & abs
tuesday:back & planks
wednesday:legs & abs
thursday:shoulders & planks
friday:arms & abs
each session lasting no more than 1 hour and also followed with 10 minutes fast run on treadmill.

SUPPLEMENTS: multivitamin & iso2 nutrition weight gainer shake

will post some pics up soon !!

[yearightbuddy]

damm. Honeslty looks like uv done ur research, except for the fact u do abs 5days a week.

[flyguy6661]

its not heavy abs just 10 minutes of situps,pushouts & leg raises etc and as for planks its just 1 minute streight then a minute to each side too which i dont think is ott. am excited for monday now too, am looking forward to see how i react as its my first time .

[marcus300]

I really dont think you should cycle at your age, you dont need to shut down your natural test when its running at peak, doing so can cause you serious problems you wished you never had, I would think twice and use what you have naturally because at your age you dont need steroids - concentrate on redesigning your diet and training methods. This may be good reading for you.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

[flyguy6661]

marcus i see that your a respected member to this forum and i do apreciate your advice but i am going to start my cycle monday, maybe i will come back in 2 months time and possibly regret it but its a choise i have made and will live with, apart from my age from what you can see cycle wise,PCT training etc do you think it looks good yes.
thanks again

[marcus300]

marcus i see that your a respected member to this forum and i do apreciate your advice but i am going to start my cycle monday, maybe i will come back in 2 months time and possibly regret it but its a choise i have made and will live with, apart from my age from what you can see cycle wise,PCT training etc do you think it looks good yes.
thanks again

I am trying to help and steer you in the right direction I wouldn't disregard the advice when your the novice here asking questions on something serious. First your age is against you and second your to light at 6ft and 180lbs you can build alot more natural weight and build a foundation before starting steroids. The answer isn't is an injection or pill at this stage for you.

Why would you shut down your natural test when its not fully running at peak and established itself yet.
There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[flyguy6661]

thanks again
i know im not a massive guy at 6', however i have made a big change looking back starting of with a 32' weist and a 36' chest now 30' weist and a 44'chest, put on almost 2 stone on natually. its only been these last 8 months that my body wont budge no matter what, sure i can still put weight on but not in the right areas. i will post some pics up and will keep posted about the cycle. what im going to do some will dissagree with but this is my choise and like i said i will take responsibilaty for what i do.

[marcus300]

thanks again
i know im not a massive guy at 6', however i have made a big change looking back starting of with a 32' weist and a 36' chest now 30' weist and a 44'chest, put on almost 2 stone on natually. its only been these last 8 months that my body wont budge no matter what, sure i can still put weight on but not in the right areas. i will post some pics up and will keep posted about the cycle. what im going to do some will dissagree with but this is my choise and like i said i will take responsibilaty for what i do.

Yes its hard work to carry on gaining thats why you have to educate yourself in the areas of diet and training to help push you into growth again. The thing you dont understand is you will lose all your gains from your cycle because your diet doesn't support any new tissue, your way of thinking is way off but your that tunnelled visioned you cant see it. What are you going to do if your experience issues with your HPTA and your natural test wont get back to normal again and you start losing all your gains and more so!

I guess your better of waiting for someone who is young and doesn't understand the consequences to advice you,