For a cut cycle:
T3 to assist with burning fat
250mg Test E/wk and lots of protein to attempt to retain muscle
Any good? I've never done a cut cycle and I've been reading and trying to get my head around it.
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For a cut cycle:
T3 to assist with burning fat
250mg Test E/wk and lots of protein to attempt to retain muscle
Any good? I've never done a cut cycle and I've been reading and trying to get my head around it.
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250mg is pretty much a trt dose. Why do you only want to do 250mg ew?
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For a cut I wouldn't use a long estered test. I would do prop at 100/150mg Eod for 8 weeks and have my diet spot on.
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Test is too low IMO I would at least bring it up to 400mg a week.. It will also help with the fat burn if your diet is clean...Originally Posted by Chizzled
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I thought that much test was just used to make gains. I thought keeping it low, 250/wk would be enough to hold the muscle while the diet, exercise, and T3 burns the fat off.
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100/150mg EOD is more than 400mg a week?
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250/wk is certainly enough to keep muscle assuming diet is correct, however with a good diet you shouldn't need test just to keep muscle. If you insist on running it you may as well bump the dose as has been posted to add muscle while you lose bodyfat. As far as T3 goes, it works alright. I personally LOVE dnp, although it is frowned upon by many users on this forum. It's certainly not to be used by the uneducated.
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I was reading about DNP. How do people die from it? Overdose and hyperthermia?
I read this:
Although further investigation is needed, one case report notes that dinitrophenol-induced hyperthermia has been successfully resolved with dantrolene administration.[15] "Dinitrophenol uncouples oxidative phosphorylation, causes release of calcium from mitochondrial stores and prevents calcium re-uptake. This leads to free intracellular calcium and causes muscle contraction and hyperthermia. Dantrolene inhibits calcium release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum which reduces intracellular calcium. The resulting muscle relaxation allows heat dissipation. There is little risk to dantrolene administration. Since dantrolene may be effective in reducing hyperthermia caused by agents that inhibit oxidative phosphorylation, early administration may improve outcome
Have you tried dantrolene with the DNP fit4ever180?
Last edited by jelly; 08-24-2011 at 11:20 PM.
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You can run 250mg a week and do fine.Thats all we ran back in the 80s.But I would up it to 400mg only beacuse of the t3.I have read you can loose muscle on it.Keep me posted on your progress on this.And you can cut on eth.
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After more research I think I will stay away from DNP. It doesn't seem worth it.
I'm having a hard time finding information on T3 cycles. The search and advanced search don't seem to bring up any material on it. I think it is because the word T3 is so short and I'm guessing the program that operates the search on this forum is splitting the T from the 3 for the results.
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untrue
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
no 100mg ew is an average trt dose.
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100mg EW Cyp is more typical.
But I do agree, if you're already half way in with the 250, why not just go for a full 400-600?
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
cause he is looking to maintain muscle while cutting and on t3.
not everyone's goal of every cycle is to add a lot of size.
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Ok. I was thinking maybe I could do sort of a conjoined cut/bulk cycle.
Day 1 Clen 40mcg / T3 50mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day 2 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 3 Clen 60mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 4 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 5 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day 6 Clen 100mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 7 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 8 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day 9 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day10 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day11 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day12 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day13 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day14 Clen 120mcg/ T3 125mcg
Day15 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day16 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day17 Clen off / T3 125mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day18 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day19 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day20 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day21 Clen off / T3 125mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day22 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day23 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day24 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day25 Clen off / T3 125mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day26 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day27 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day28 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day29 Clen 100mcg / T3 125mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day30 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day31 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day32 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day33 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day34 Clen 120mcg / T3 150mcg
Day35 Clen 120mcg / T3 150mcg
Day36 Clen 120mcg / T3 150mcg
Day37 Clen 120mcg / T3 150mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day38 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day39 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day40 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day41 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg / Test E 250mg / 250mg Deca
Day42 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day43 None
Day44 None
Day45 --> Day84 Test E @250mg every 4 days
Day45 --> Day70 Deca @250mg every 4 days (you can see that the deca is finished 2 weeks be4 the test).
The continuance of anabolics for approximately 6 weeks after the Clen/T3 should help to counteract the usually bodyfat rebound after that cycle, am I correct? Not only that, but since I've been using the test and dbol to retain/build a little muscle anyway I might as well continue these, because by the end of 6 weeks they should be starting to really kick in.
PCT will most definately be included and will consist of HCG, Clomid, Nolva, and Arimidex. I will probably run HCG throughout cycle at 250iu every 4 days and Arimidex at .25mg Daily, but I wont start the arimidex until the end of week 1 and HCG wont be started until week 2 or 3.
Do you think it would be worth it to throw dbol in there also? Or should I save that for the next cycle (most likely going to be dbol/test/deca)?
Thanks guys.
Last edited by jelly; 08-25-2011 at 11:33 AM.
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Has anyone ever tried a hybrid cycle like this?
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Why not run tren, winstol, or masteron instead of the deca?
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Winny will dry my joints too much. I do martial arts as well as bodybuild. I can't remember why I didn't want to do the Tren. I think it was something to do with erection issues, but I can't be too sure on that. I just remember that I didn't want to do Tren for some reason. I can't have my tool broken, my sexy gf needs that. I've never looked into masteron, but I'll do some reading. Why would you suggest those others over the deca?
Edit: Ok I did some readings on masteron. I'm not really interested in pinning EOD. I kind of like to stick to the glutes and just do it roughly twice a week (every 4 days in this case). It's convenient for me to pin the TestE at the same time as the deca.
Last edited by jelly; 08-25-2011 at 03:17 PM.
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Really? I always see everyone in trt forums on 200mg pw it seems?
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
Most real dr's start around 100mg. I know 100mg a week puts me over 1100.
The hrt "clinics" are a little more liberal IMO
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What dose were you most happy with as far as having stable blood levels? My doc is wanting to give me sust for trt at 1 shot per month of 400mg? Sorry for the hijack, il pm you gixx
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Sorry?
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Jelly, I'm on a T3/Clen cycle, right now. Almost to my fourth week. I'm running Clen all the way through and taking Benadryl every third week for seven days. It's working! I'm actually feeling the effects of the Clen more while taking Benadryl. I am using Test E at 200mg every 3.5 days; and I took Dbols to kickstart it, so my muscles wouldn't be eaten away while waiting for the Test E to kick in. I'm actually gaining muscle mass and loosing fat! Tbols or Anavar would probably be better to kickstart it, if you can afford it. By the way, Deca can also cause erection issues. Plus, it would probably be better to save it for your bulking cycle.
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I can vouch for this.
4 days post injection I'm still over 800, so I only imagine that I'm over the 1000 mark for a day or two.
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Then use drostanolone enanthate instead of prop.
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Couldn't find that compound on the steroid.com main website... Anyone got a link to more info about it?
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Nevermind... Got it. Masteron Enanthate.
Anything to help stop the DHT from making me bald? It runs in my family.
I was also curious if I need anything else other than Adex and HCG to take as the cycle progresses.
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Last edited by jelly; 08-26-2011 at 01:04 AM.
VET
I ran clen/T3 for three weeks and got good results. You have to give your body a break. Take clen in 2 to 3 weeks cycles and give your body a 2 week break in between.
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That's almost the same thing as what I posted, maybe you didn't notce it said "Clen off" for 2 weeks. Have another look.
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