65 and new

[rc5400]

I'm 65, in very good health and thinking about starting steroids. Weight train 5/week but the results just aren't where they should be. A lot of questions but mainly: what do I start with? I have no idea, not clue #1. Also, can I moderate the use. That is, get to a certain size and level of def and stay there?

THANKS!!!
RON

[cro]

well im no expert and im 38 yrs old and just ran 1 st cycle this year. BUTT i know alot of people who would say just run a light test e only cycle . 300 to 500 mg per week , id say 300 works good for a 1st.i think if youve been training consistantly for some time this would do you good. might want to run an ai like adex while on .25 every other day to start . to keep sides down. and make sure diet is in check. 65 is perfect time to rejuvinate. good 4 uuuuu

[chuckt12345]

first go to your doctor and talk with him
aslo start reading all the red stickies at the top of this page

[rc5400]

Thanks for the reply. T, just T at 300/week? That's one dose or 7 spread out? Just to mention, my T is normal and sex drive is incredibly high, like a 20-yr-old; never changed. Like, it's almost annoying. And....ai? adex? .25 ? sides? I told you, I'm very new to all this.

RON

[chuckt12345]

stick with simple test but honestly at 65 you could prb get it prescribed even with higher than normal T,,, all you need to do is say you been feeling sluggish and sex drive is dropping.

[rc5400]

My doctor would never approve any of this.

[rc5400]

OH, Interesting idea I might try it (the doctor route; he was resistant before, however).

[chuckt12345]

try a new one,, im 34 and ive had test prescribed by 3 diff doctors.

[SlimmerMe]

Welcome!

what are your other stats?
height
weight
BF%?

this would help a lot to know this....

enjoy the site~

[rc5400]

5'6, 155, 20% (last time I had it checked). 15.5" arms, pretty good legs; do heavy aerobics 3x week.

[SlimmerMe]

and your specific goal? thanks

[rc5400]

No number-based goal. I want to be cut up, more vascular, and hard. My arms are OK as they are now, but not impressive anymore (people used to comment, even strangers on the street).

[SlimmerMe]

having a specific goal helps a lot. For example do you want to be the same weight but less BF? or more weight and less BF?

regardless: I highly suggest postponing a cycle for a little while. You would get so much more bang for the buck if you got your BF down a bit more closer to 15%. And with that in mind, coming on over to the Diet Question forum will help you do this. And you will be much happier with your results.

Hey! We all end up there sooner or later!

See ya there~

[cro]

i like this guy ... thats the right mind set.

No number-based goal. I want to be cut up, more vascular, and hard. My arms are OK as they are now, but not impressive anymore (people used to comment, even strangers on the street).

[rc5400]

Thanks, cro. I would love to look more like you. You know you have your body all your life and you think, we're buds, but it's not true. I do want to be larger, less b.f. I was up to 215 and a total blimp a couple of years ago, and dieted myself down to 155. Basically, cottage cheese (1%). And the thing about working out now is, I'm fighting a negative feedback cycle. You workout and don't see much result so you are less inclined to work out again. I have to prod myself to go to the gym. I use to love my pump and now, well, much less of a pump. That's why I thought steroids would help. I'm not sure about test with someone like me, normal T, very high sex drive. Does it make a difference?

[brad1986]

if you ever ran just one compound alone it should be test only. Esspecially at your age

[rc5400]

OK and please forgive my questions: Would it be better to use more than one compound at one time? I don't mind needles. Just saying. I know there are lot of different substances out there and while I've read some of the links at the top and some other stuff, I'm no better off.

[im83931]

For a first cycle its usually recommended to just use test. That way you'll know how you will react to it. If you have never run anything before one compound is more than enough. Make sure you have your pct lined up before you start though. Many people wait until they are in mid cycle to get the ancillaries and then get into trouble because they don't have them when they need them.

[rc5400]

What ancillaries would I take and what PCT would I use. Absolutely zero experience in this.

[im83931]

Here is a great PCT post. Trust me on this, the knowledge you gain by reading these will help you if you have problems on cycle.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.Tlg7AV3ZCRI

[The Titan99]

What ancillaries would I take and what PCT would I use. Absolutely zero experience in this.

PCT would be a waste of time at your age IMO. Go to a different Doctor, get on HRT, then cycle up and down from there. I'm 47 and that's what I do. That's one of the good things about being old, you don't have to jack with PCT.

[im83931]

^^^ good point!

[Pac Man]

PCT would be a waste of time at your age IMO. Go to a different Doctor, get on HRT, then cycle up and down from there. I'm 47 and that's what I do. That's one of the good things about being old, you don't have to jack with PCT.

Agreed.
I'm pretty surprised that your test levels are normal. Do you have exact numbers on that?

[rc5400]

Hmm...so someone like me who, in the normal course of events, doesn't need any extra test, I would looking at Testosterone Cypionate IM? But the cycle part....?

[Pac Man]

cyp will work in a cycle as will e or any kind of test you can get your hands on so long as it's dosed correctly and at the right time

[rc5400]

I don't remember my test levels but they were right in the normal range. If low t is as I've read it is, I have none of it. Tons of energy; very high sex drive. With all that, I wonder if additional test would be OK. Also, not sure about how long the cycle should be, dosage, etc. Sorry to ask all these questions.

[The Titan99]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.TlilO13CKSo

All will be revealed...

[MR10X]

I am 65 and been doing AAS for 30 years off and on.I am not on TRT and still cycle 2 or 3 times a year.I do PCT now since i am older. I would suggest 500mg a week of just test.If Test E do 250mg twice a week,run it for 6 to 8 weeks then do PCT with Clomid 50mg ED and Nolvadex 20mg ED for 4 weeks starting 2 weeks after your last shot of test.

[rc5400]

OK, so just to recap, 500mg/once a week of TEST, 250/mg twice if test e, 6-8 weeks, then PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex for four weeks starting 2 weeks after my last shot of test.

Got it. very helpful. Now, to find test or test e and clomid and nolvadex (and be sure I'm not getting fakes or adulterated). Is Clomid to help with the increased estrogen production?

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

OK, so just to recap, 500mg/once a week of TEST, 250/mg twice if test e, 6-8 weeks, then PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex for four weeks starting 2 weeks after my last shot of test.

Got it. very helpful. Now, to find test or test e and clomid and nolvadex (and be sure I'm not getting fakes or adulterated). Is Clomid to help with the increased estrogen production?

Be careful, with posts like this scammers will be beating down your door...

[buster12]

PCT would be a waste of time at your age IMO. Go to a different Doctor, get on HRT, then cycle up and down from there. I'm 47 and that's what I do. That's one of the good things about being old, you don't have to jack with PCT.

Titan99 I'm 42 43 this year taking test E was thinking about Nolva PCT and clen
With my age should I bother with PCT or rest

[im83931]

I believe he meant no pct because he was on trt. No need for pct of you are already getting exogenous test. You go back stay at baseline because you don't worry about recovery. You administering your baseline.

[MR10X]

OK, so just to recap, 500mg/once a week of TEST, 250/mg twice if test e, 6-8 weeks, then PCT with Clomid and Nolvadex for four weeks starting 2 weeks after my last shot of test.

Got it. very helpful. Now, to find test or test e and clomid and nolvadex (and be sure I'm not getting fakes or adulterated). Is Clomid to help with the increased estrogen production?

The clomid and nolvadex helps with estrogen sides but it also stimulates your own LH and FSH hormone recovery. If you keep the cycles short 6 to 8 weeks recovery will be quicker. Its up to you whether you want TRT test replacement and having to deal with the cost,controling estrogen, shruken balls and other things. i have no problem not doing TRT at 65

[rc5400]

What are the alternatives to TST Test for a guy my age, etc. I'd definitely prefer no estrogen and the balls are small enough already.

[im83931]

I would think that even though you are in range it may be in range for your age and you would qualify for TRT easily. You may need to go to another Dr. or even get an appointment with an endo doc.
There aren't really any alternatives that work. The natural stuff does very little if anything. If you run a cycle you can get an AI for the estro sides if they occur. You can get an AI at AR-R by click on the link at the top right hand corner of the page.

[MR10X]

What are the alternatives to TST Test for a guy my age, etc. I'd definitely prefer no estrogen and the balls are small enough already.

I dont do anything after i finish my clomid and nolvadex,if you train good and eat right you will maintain most of your gains.You will never look like you will while your on steroids when your off of them,they cause to retain more protien and nitrogen in your muscles than you would while your off of them.You can do a 6 week cycle then 6 weeks off or 8 weeks on 8weeks off. I found you dont make much gains after 6 or 8 weeks on. You can take clomid or nolvadex while your off and it will stimulate your own test production or HCG but i prefer to not use anything while im off. you need to experiment and see how you react to a cycle and PCT and go from there.

[The Titan99]

I believe he meant no pct because he was on trt. No need for pct of you are already getting exogenous test. You go back stay at baseline because you don't worry about recovery. You administering your baseline.

Exactly. If you com e off you need PCT. I'm just saying you wouldn't come off ever (HRT) But of course your that 1 in a million old guy who's test levels are just fine at 65.......

[dec11]

im i the only skeptical one here?

a 65yr old looking to take gear and pump the iron?

if you are for real, be aware of dangers such as high BP etc, things that can be detrimental to someone at 65yrs old

[MR10X]

I'm 65 and im not skeptical at all,i live it every day. Been doin steroids for 30 years off and on. I see no reason to sit back and let life go by just because im 65.......

[ddp2727]

I'm 65 and im not skeptical at all,i live it every day. Been doin steroids for 30 years off and on. I see no reason to sit back and let life go by just because im 65.......

Tell it bro!