First time cycle, pointers and tweaks needed

[bigben91]

hey guys, just got a profile 2minutes ago so if i get anything wrong, please forgive me

im 20, 5'11, 209lbs, 4years training, 56lbs lean gain natural good diet, 5days a week gym, no cardio, i hav naturally low test believe it or not with my gains, 12.6 something per something, i only kno that number sorry. have i missed anything?

my cycle is 10weeks (70 days) wild cat test cyp 250, 500mg a week split into 2 jab days, the plan was to do my arse .5ml each cheek twice a week (fri and tues night) but i cant do my arse cos im so right handed i cant do both cheeks and i dont have any1 to jab for me lol so im going to do my delts (which i want biggest anyway) in the same manner as id of done with my arse

was thinking of getting var and doing that in my last 2-3weeks to help keep gains??? what do you guys think to that?
bar that tho, .5 wild cat adex ED from first jabs (iv been gyno prone since puberty) this will last me the 70days on cycle and 30days of/into PCT which i hav some clomid to start a week after my last jab at 150mg on day 1; then 100mg for the next 7 days; followed by 50mg for 14 days. << stolen off a pct post on here.


first cycle so i wounder what u guys think, any advice or anything iv got right or wrong would help, thank you

[songdog]

The only advice I will give is to wait until you are 25.You risk doing damage to your endo system.Not fun for a kid your age who cant get a woody.

[bigben91]

i was thinking that but i was hoping the clomid would keep that in check? its only 10weeks at 500mg a week? if the clomid fails, HCG?

[bigZthedestroyer]

The best advice your going to get on here is what songdog said. You could really do some damage to your endocrine system. Use the extra time to educate yourself more on AAS. This site has endless information. Play with your diet and training routines. See what kind of gains you can make until it's the right time.

[bigben91]

i was thinking that because you guys aint the first people to say that to me but i was told by a few others that 20-21 is fine? im pretty sure iv reached my natural peak within maybe half a stone to a stone for the rest of my life (at this condition) anyway so i didnt see much point holding on all that time wen iv only got 2years left to compete in the juniors? what do u guys think of the cycle and the var in its self though? thank you for the feed back

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Bigben unfortunately you are not going to get the answers you seek here. Maybe you did not throroughly read the rules when you joined but we would be breaking them by telling you how to cycle and in return encouraging you to mess up your long term health. You have the final say when it comes to doing a cycle but we have the final say who we give advice to and being < 25 yrs old you are not one of them, sorry. GL!

[bigben91]

bollocks , ok peaches, didnt realise my bad :/ cheers anyway

[stpete]

Just don't want to see you or anyone else at that age potentially screw themselves up for the rest of their lives. Good luck and be patient.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Honestly, you really should reconsider cycling until you are older. You have no idea how many times we hear "I'm ready" or "I'm done growing" etc etc. Then those same people come back asking for help with their ED and Low T. 25 is not that far away and you would be cutting the % of risks down exponentially.

[AstheticKing]

wait one or 2 years if no then test only 8< weeks(prop last two weeks) with nolva pct

[bigben91]

:/ fair enough guys, cheers for the advice and taking the time to reply and everything, not what i wanted to hear but thats probably because you guys are right lol, if i did the cycle anyway (sorry to go against ur advice but its only an IF) would me posting the results and everything count as against the rules or whatever? because i cant find the rules on here now, i only got this last night

[Madmax3330]

If I were we know your not but if a lot of first cycles I see start with 75mg of test prop 3-4 times a week with a vitamin b6 and a cycle assist that has milk thistle to help protect your liver and a anti est. Also you make sure you have a stock of clean gear and wipes. Most don't like the prop because the first hits hurt pretty bad so I would suggest doing it after a shower and make sure the gear has been warmed. The test prop is relative easy to make yourself and really cheap just have to find a notacow method because estrogen is bad. I would look at the 6-8 week cycle uping my dose on week 3 to 100 mg every other day not to exceed 400mg a week. Then on week 5 or 6 start dropping my dosage and start my pct that has herbal supplements to help promote natural test growth. Usually when you finish you start high on your pct's well bringing down your dosages of test. I would also suggest a herbal supplement that helps with anxiety because its great being a beast at the gym but sucks when your pumped and ready to go at home all the time. Also diet plays a huge role stay low on the carbs and high on protein and the gains you see will be solid but that is all if of course...

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

If I were we know your not but if a lot of first cycles I see start with 75mg of test prop 3-4 times a week with a vitamin b6 and a cycle assist that has milk thistle to help protect your liver and a anti est. Also you make sure you have a stock of clean gear and wipes. Most don't like the prop because the first hits hurt pretty bad so I would suggest doing it after a shower and make sure the gear has been warmed. The test prop is relative easy to make yourself and really cheap just have to find a notacow method because estrogen is bad. I would look at the 6-8 week cycle uping my dose on week 3 to 100 mg every other day not to exceed 400mg a week. Then on week 5 or 6 start dropping my dosage and start my pct that has herbal supplements to help promote natural test growth. Usually when you finish you start high on your pct's well bringing down your dosages of test. I would also suggest a herbal supplement that helps with anxiety because its great being a beast at the gym but sucks when your pumped and ready to go at home all the time. Also diet plays a huge role stay low on the carbs and high on protein and the gains you see will be solid but that is all if of course...

Did you bother reading the rules?

[Madmax3330]

no I think I am done with this website though

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Don't let the door hit you in the backside...

[Madmax3330]

That high and mighty attitude with not helping anyone just bashing them is exactly why. If you want a real forum with people that help you there is a lot better ones out there....I would not post results here

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Youre an idiot! I have the OPs best interest at heart. What do you have? I am trying to help him long term and all you are trying to do is tell him what he wants to hear. On top of that your advice sucks!

So boo hoo, go cry to mommy!!

[gixxerboy1]

^^^ do not listen to any of that. There is so much bad info i that post.

And madmx why are you giving advice when you just ran one of the worst cycles i've seen and are posting with problems yourself

[gixxerboy1]

That high and mighty attitude with not helping anyone just bashing them is exactly why. If you want a real forum with people that help you there is a lot better ones out there....I would not post results here

your not helping anyone with giving wrong advice. What you are telling him will hurt more then help.

[jimmyinkedup]

That high and mighty attitude with not helping anyone just bashing them is exactly why. If you want a really bad forum with people that dont give a damn about you or you well being there is a lot better ones out there....I would not post results here

I think I am done with this website though

Fixed (see bold above)....
If you dont like it here then by all means leave - Id rather you werent here than posting what is IMO shitty , irresponsible advice like you are and badmouthing this board on top of it. The ironic thing is based on your posts and problems you have experienced this is exactly where you need to be. Unfortunately you epitomize the second statement in my signature. Id type less and read more if I were you. This board doesnt tell people what they want to hear - here people get told the truth -like it or not. Now had you simply expressed opinions i didnt agree with i would have disgreed and explained why - but dont talk shit about the board...... JMO of course.

Also AstheticKing - I disagree with your post/advice as well...

OP - the best advice you have been given is to wait. If you are truely researching read these :

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...T-use-AAS-imho

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

[bigben91]

tbf guys, i agree and disagree with both sides, as for max, cheers for atleast trying to help with the cycle, good info or not, as for every1 else, yeah u might think im to young blah blah, but would it still not be a good idea to just advise on the cycle anyway? like we REALLY REALLY suggest waittin but blah blah about the cycle if u gonna do it anyway? no disrespect intended just asking

[Dr Pepper]

We wouldn't be looking out for your best interests by giving you advice on using aas... And thats what where here for plain and simple. You won't get much help here

[Dr Pepper]

And btw, max is obviously an idiot, I wouldn't be taking any advice from him... Just saying

[bigben91]

cheers for nothing then :/ atleast help me to either delete this thread or my profile :/

[Dr Pepper]

cheers for nothing then :/ atleast help me to either delete this thread or my profile :/

lolllll

[songdog]

I just love it when people do the right thing.

[PitMaster]

tbf guys, i agree and disagree with both sides, as for max, cheers for atleast trying to help with the cycle, good info or not, as for every1 else, yeah u might think im to young blah blah, but would it still not be a good idea to just advise on the cycle anyway? like we REALLY REALLY suggest waittin but blah blah about the cycle if u gonna do it anyway? no disrespect intended just asking

Talking like that shows just how old u really are. I don't even have to know your age for that one. For future reference that is teenage girl talk. Best advice i can give u.

wait one or 2 years if no then test only 8< weeks(prop last two weeks) with nolva pct

no I think I am done with this website though

There are vets and long standing members on here stating some facts to try and help this kid out. And then u guys go against what is said and give advice anyway. So Fvcking disrespectful...shame on u.

Don't let the door hit you in the backside...

x2

[bigben91]

saying "blah" doesnt instantly show imiturety, i was just like :/ fuk it, cos i wanted advice not patronising but u lot hav ur morals and rules about the advice, i just think u should still give the younger lot something other then a no dont if u get me :/ then again it cant be that bad of a cycle other wise u really would be like NO EFFING WAY DO THAT CYCLE, lol and ye i was pissed off so i was pretty arsey about it but hey :/

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

The point is there is no advice we can give you that will allow you to cycle safely at your age. If by us looking out for you and your health makes us d1cks, then I'm happy to be a d1ck in this case.

When you are at the right point in your life where considering aas usage is not such a HUGE risk then you will see how willing we ALL will be to help you learn and grow, but not when the price is so high.

[bigben91]

yeah i appreciate that man i do, just wanted the help regardless :/ cos im pretty sure im gonna do the cycle anyway (no disrespect)

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

You have that right & we respect that. All we ask is that you respect the fact that we are only trying to look out for you and not kick up attitude just because we wont lie to you and say "go ahead, you will be fine".