oral steroids , are they a waste of time and more dangerous ?

**robwigan** · 09-02-2011, 04:35 AM

winny for example ? been told they are highly toxic to the liver . can you take some thing with them to protect your liver?

**marcus300** · 09-02-2011, 04:49 AM

what are your stats?
goals?
Injections are far better for you and you can achieve alot more.

**songdog** · 09-02-2011, 05:31 AM

bump

**Exevious** · 09-02-2011, 10:55 AM

If you hadn't noticed the prohormone educational thread in suppliments section... there is also a search function on the top right of your screen.
Do some reading... and your questions if not answered will at least get more specific.

**Nebuchadnezzar** · 09-02-2011, 11:17 AM

i did only winstrol cycle last year. gained 8 lbs and kept every single lb of them
lost couple of BF %. didnt have problems with libido i think it was great!!!
as far as liver toxicity YES it is toxic. just dont do it over 5-6 weeks and use liver protection

**JBlue** · 09-04-2011, 07:55 PM

Liver protection? Can anyone expand on this? Is the consensus when doing Oral is not go past the 6 week cycle mark?

**10nispro** · 09-04-2011, 08:33 PM

You will have your questions answered better once we know your stat. Age, BF, Weight, Height, cycle Hx, etc.

The questions you are asking are real easy to learn about if you will just read some. Search for certain words and you will find lots or answers. Not trying to bust your bubble but reading will help you learn more than you want. And its how most of us learned.

But first start with your stats.

**10nispro** · 09-04-2011, 08:34 PM

Ok, read your stats and Hx. You are not ready for gear at this moment. Your diet is the problem.

**Hazard** · 09-04-2011, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar

i did only winstrol cycle last year. gained 8 lbs and kept every single lb of them
lost couple of BF %. didnt have problems with libido i think it was great!!!
as far as liver toxicity YES it is toxic. just dont do it over 5-6 weeks and use liver protection

Way to go chief..... you see an experienced member ask him for his stats so he can better answer his questions and you throw your .02 cents in..... the problem with this is most new guys will go with the 1st answer that they like instead of the most intelligent answer. Please refrain form giving further advice until you have a better understanding of someones background and you are posotive that you know wtf you are talking about.

I'd also like to touch on liver toxicity...... I'm so sick of people parroting that a running an oral steroid will destroy your liver. It's just not fvcking true unless you abuse them. A moderate dosage for a moderate time frame should be fine..... I'm not telling everyone to run 100mg's of dbol for 12 weeks here..... but running 30-50mgs for 4 weeks wont fvcking kill your liver unless you have other health issues going on.

~Haz~

**Hazard** · 09-04-2011, 09:29 PM

^^^^ Just to touch on running orals..... I AM NOT SUGGESTING ORAL ONLY CYCLES! More often then not.... they don't pan out well.

~Haz~

**dec11** · 09-04-2011, 09:44 PM

after using dbol and adrol extensively i can conclude they are a waste of time, quick build up of water/strength and then kiss it goodbye, they will have their uses in a competitive arena but imo not for a recreational lifter.

ignore the poster advocating winnie only, not a smart thing to do, the smartest thing to do is research and learn and then come back to us when you are old enough to use any AAS.

**songdog** · 09-05-2011, 05:51 AM

Well put Haz just my 2 cents.

**Honkey_Kong** · 09-05-2011, 11:02 AM

I personally use orals as a kick-start to a cycle of injectables. And before i did the right thing and ran injection cycles, I ran a few Superdrol cycles prior. Let me tell you something, the effects of being shut down from testosterone are horrible. You can google all those lot T effects. Then on top of that, virtually all of your gains fade away before you get your time off = time on + pct completed (at least they did for me).

And as far as damage to the liver goes, like Haz says, it's not as likely as you think. On top of that, the liver can recover from quite a bit of damage. I'm not saying you should try to push the envelope to see how much yours can take before you end up on a transplant waiting list. But the risk gets way over dramatized in the media and on these sites.

And OP, there really isn't any chain mail you can use for your liver. Milk Thistle really doesn't do as much as people like to think it does.

**JBlue** · 09-06-2011, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

after using dbol and adrol extensively i can conclude they are a waste of time, quick build up of water/strength and then kiss it goodbye, they will have their uses in a competitive arena but imo not for a recreational lifter.

ignore the poster advocating winnie only, not a smart thing to do, the smartest thing to do is research and learn and then come back to us when you are old enough to use any AAS.

To be fair from my research Dbot and Adrol have low low ratings interms of retaining gains. But the general consensus applies, research first. Hazard is right about posting stats. It is only for the better. I'm a n00b but makes for a better forum with these rules from seasons posters.

**Eazy20** · 09-06-2011, 11:59 AM

I never run orals...Only oral I ever run is anavar and that's only when cutting because it seems to target my stomach fat like no other...I'll never touch anything else again...I'm not an impatient person...I dont need to blow up into a water balloon for the first 4 weeks of my cycle when I can do it more gradually and safely without the extreme puffy-ness...

**JBlue** · 09-06-2011, 01:52 PM

EAsy20.. that is exactly what I want to do also.. gradual is good. I don't want the people in the office giving me the WTF look.

**carbo** · 09-13-2011, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by JBlue

EAsy20.. that is exactly what I want to do also.. gradual is good. I don't want the people in the office giving me the WTF look.

Tell them you're bulking and have just started with this new fantastic Creatine supplement. Works like a charm lol

**yungone501** · 09-13-2011, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

after using dbol and adrol extensively i can conclude they are a waste of time, quick build up of water/strength and then kiss it goodbye, they will have their uses in a competitive arena but imo not for a recreational lifter.

ignore the poster advocating winnie only, not a smart thing to do, the smartest thing to do is research and learn and then come back to us when you are old enough to use any AAS.

I agree with Dec to a point...

Adrol and dbol can be a great addition to a bulk cycle because it will allow heavier lifts which stimulates muscles much more which inevitably leads to greater hypertrophy. However, used by themselves, as Dec stated would be a complete waste of time, period!