My First Cycle - Test E, Deca & Nova

[pump4pump]

Hi Guys

I been training now for 4 years and want to do my first cycle, however people at my gym have given me some very conflicting info

I have got myself some Test E, Deca & Nova but have a few questions -

Is Nova going to be OK alone to use as a PCT?

Should I also take Nova throughout my cycle or just say after a one week after my cycle?

I have 6 vials of Test E, 12 vials of Deca & Nova which I plan to do a 6 week cycle

Any advise would be much appreciated

Thanks people

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[jelly]

you mean "advice".....

My advice to you is to put aside the dbol and deca and save it for a future cycle.
Use Test E only and for 12 weeks, just preload it.

Running all three compounds at once isn't going to give you any more gains than test E only, especially on your first cycle. The only thing you will be doing is making your body resist the compounds sooner and thus reducing future gains made from future cycles more rapidly.

Test E only @500mg/wk for 12 weeks. Get some clomid and add it to your PCT. Enough said.

[pump4pump]

Ok thanks

So would you say clomid is ok as a PCT on it's own or use nova with it and also would you suggest using any PCT in the cycle or wait until cycle finishes

Thanks

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[dec11]

you mean "advice".....

My advice to you is to put aside the dbol and deca and save it for a future cycle.
Use Test E only and for 12 weeks, just preload it.

Running all three compounds at once isn't going to give you any more gains than test E only, especially on your first cycle. The only thing you will be doing is making your body resist the compounds sooner and thus reducing future gains made from future cycles more rapidly.

Test E only @500mg/wk for 12 weeks. Get some clomid and add it to your PCT. Enough said.

he never mentioned dbol?


OP, what age are you and what are your stats?
you shouldnt be doing anything until you've researched this inside out.

have you vials or amps? and wtf is a vial of nolva?

[pump4pump]

Sorry I have vials of Test E & Deca, Nova are tabs

My stats are -
Age 25
Been training now for 4 yrs
17 stone
6'2"
Also have my diet on key, I have 7 meals a day with a good source of carbs & protein and hoping to do a bulking cycle

I do train with a few people on gear but they give my mixed opinions on it

Thanks

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[dec11]

im confused, are they 10 shot multi vials? just a bit weird you'd have 6 of test and 12 of deca

[pump4pump]

That's what I have, I asked my contact for a recommended first cycle and that's what he gave me, I did ask why only 6 Test E & 12 Deca and he said that it would be fine for a first cycle and it would also keep costs down

He also said to do 2 injections per week, 1 Deca & 1 with Deca and test stacked in 1 injection

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[Swifto]

Stick to Test only.

350-500mg/wk is fine for 10-12 weeks.

Aromasin 10mg/ED.

HCG 250ius 2x week.

PCT:

wk 1-6 Tamox (Nolvadex) 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED

[pump4pump]

Stick to Test only.

350-500mg/wk is fine for 10-12 weeks.

Aromasin 10mg/ED.

HCG 250ius 2x week.

PCT:

wk 1-6 Tamox (Nolvadex) 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
wk 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED

Thanks, so do you think Deca would be too much to add to Test E for my first cycle

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[dec11]

Thanks, so do you think Deca would be too much to add to Test E for my first cycle

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its not a good idea to run more than one for a 1st go, you wouldnt know where potential sides where coming from.

think your supplier seen you coming, selling you a shit load of stuff like that, thats alot of gear.

you're positive they are 10 shots and not single shot amps?

[bodybuilder]

Just run test e alone no need to front load it. On your next cycle you can add the deca. Also you should grab some clomid for your pct.

[pump4pump]

its not a good idea to run more than one for a 1st go, you wouldnt know where potential sides where coming from.

think your supplier seen you coming, selling you a shit load of stuff like that, thats alot of gear.

you're positive they are 10 shots and not single shot amps?

They are single shots (Test E) and only have 6, so if I am going to do test on it's own I think I will need to get some more, enough for 500mg per week then?

Thanks

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[jelly]

he never mentioned dbol?

My bad, I thought it said dbol..... Just so many newbies out there talking about the same deca/dbol/test cycles...

[dec11]

They are single shots (Test E) and only have 6, so if I am going to do test on it's own I think I will need to get some more, enough for 500mg per week then?

Thanks

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ah ha, thought as much. when talking about vials they are normally multi shot bottles, amps are a single shot, important to clarify when asking for advice.

for a proper cycle you need to get another 14 amps (assuming they're 250mg/ml), that'll get you enough for a 10wk cycle @ 500mg pw, id personally get 4 more and do 12wks but up to you

[pump4pump]

ah ha, thought as much. when talking about vials they are normally multi shot bottles, amps are a single shot, important to clarify when asking for advice.

for a proper cycle you need to get another 14 amps (assuming they're 250mg/ml), that'll get you enough for a 10wk cycle @ 500mg pw, id personally get 4 more and do 12wks but up to you

Many Thanks for your help & advice , Just 2 things -

I am going to go with Test E only and leaving the Deca for this 1st cycle, 12 week cycle - I already have Nova but I am going to get some Clomid also for PCT, however my question is - Do I only use Nova/Clomid after cycle or would you suggest using anything within my Test E cycle? (Or is that only is sides appear like Gyno etc) as in only take something if a side comes along? (If so what would you recommend)

and finally, this is probably a stupid question, but in the past I done a course of T Bullets followed buy a course of Reloads (both from Extreme Nutrition) and the Reloads claim to be one of the best PCT's and clame on the bottle that they are so good that they can be used as a PCT on there own? would you say this is a load of sh!t?

Thanks

[dec11]

Many Thanks for your help & advice , Just 2 things -

I am going to go with Test E only and leaving the Deca for this 1st cycle, 12 week cycle - I already have Nova but I am going to get some Clomid also for PCT, however my question is - Do I only use Nova/Clomid after cycle or would you suggest using anything within my Test E cycle? (Or is that only is sides appear like Gyno etc) as in only take something if a side comes along? (If so what would you recommend)

and finally, this is probably a stupid question, but in the past I done a course of T Bullets followed buy a course of Reloads (both from Extreme Nutrition) and the Reloads claim to be one of the best PCT's and clame on the bottle that they are so good that they can be used as a PCT on there own? would you say this is a load of sh!t?

Thanks

a load of shit for def mate

use nolva and clomid for PCT. you can use nolva for stopping estro binding to the breasts receptors but it doesnt lower the levels of estro, much better to get yourself an AI like adex or aromasin for any potential estro sides, you can buy them from the sponsor (top right of screen)

[Devil_Doc]

And you dont necessarily need nolva on cycle, however, you will gain a bit less, but retain much more after cycle, as the Tamox blocks estrogen receptors, which help with the bloating, i havent run it on cycle b4 , my first will be starting next week

[dec11]

And you dont necessarily need nolva on cycle, however, you will gain a bit less, but retain much more after cycle, as the Tamox blocks estrogen receptors, which help with the bloating, i havent run it on cycle b4 , my first will be starting next week

how do you know any of this, as you've just stated your 1st is next week?

[Devil_Doc]

First time running nolva on cycle, but ive run it on 3 PCTs, and Just because you havent done something doesnt mean that you dont research it first =) but yea, this isnt my first cycle.... just first Nolva on cycle

[dec11]

First time running nolva on cycle, but ive run it on 3 PCTs, and Just because you havent done something doesnt mean that you dont research it first =) but yea, this isnt my first cycle.... just first Nolva on cycle

what makes you think it'll affect gains? dont believe all that 'on paper' crap

[Devil_Doc]

Im open minded, I hope it wont affect them.... I start the voyage monday =)