Need help putting together my cycle!!

**Oli-G** · 09-11-2011, 04:12 PM

This is my cycle that i came up with, not yet started. still seeking advice.

Wks 1-16 Test E 750mg/wk
Wks 9-16 Tren A 400mg/wk
Wks 1-14 Bold 600mg/wk
Wks 1 Anadrol 50mg/day
Wks 2-4 Anadrol 100mg/day

OCT
Wks 1-16Amiridex 1.0 50mg ED
Wks 10-14 HCG 250i.u ED

PCT
Wks 18-22 Clomid 50mg ED

Stats:
Age 20
BF 12%
Height 5"7
Weight 11.5 stone

Goals:
To gain size and strength

Steroid experience:
This would be my 4 cycle, have done all of the above steroids but in different orders.

Would like to add deca but need advice on doses ect

Would it be a gd idea to run Tren E from wk1-16 insted of 9-16 as i love the effects of tren E?

Please give advice on doses!!!

**Lemonada8** · 09-11-2011, 05:01 PM

that cycle is WAY to advanced for you. And at 20 years old, and 4th cycle? wtf are you doing?
and ur pct sucks.
hcg isnt ED
thats alot of gear.

**38jumper38** · 09-11-2011, 07:27 PM

crazy kid,
you need diet bro.

**Dr Pepper** · 09-11-2011, 07:28 PM

All wrong

**Oli-G** · 10-08-2011, 04:55 PM

I lost all my weight coz i was very ill and it was 3 cycles not 4 sorry, i did think it was alot of gear so iv taken a long time to qork out this cycle which still seems to me to be to much but what do you think? If u think its to much can u think of a cycle using the same gear?

Wks 1-16 Test E 500mg/wk
Wks 8-16 Tren E 400mg/wk
Wks 1-14 Bold 500mg/wk
Wks 1 Anadrol 50mg/day
Wks 2-4 Anadrol 100mg/day

OCT
Wks 1-16Adex 1.0 50mg ED
Wks 10-14 HCG 250i.u/Twice a week

PCT
Wks 18-22 Clomid 50mg ED

**ottomaddox** · 10-08-2011, 05:11 PM

You're going to have a hard time here finding someone that agrees with you. On your 4th cycle at age 20? Time to go back to the drawing board and research the problems of cycling before the age of 25. You are setting yourself up for a world of hurt. And you don't even know how old you are, 20 or 21? Either way......

Originally Posted by Oli-G

Wks 1-16 Test E 500mg/wk
Wks 8-16 Tren E 400mg/wk
Wks 1-14 Bold 500mg/wk
Wks 1 Anadrol 50mg/day
Wks 2-4 Anadrol 100mg/day

OCT
Wks 1-16Adex 1.0 50mg ED
Wks 10-14 HCG 250i.u/Twice a week

PCT
Wks 18-22 Clomid 50mg ED

Stats:

Age: 21
Bf: 12%
Height: 6ft
Weight: 160lbs
Steroid use : 2 previous cycles of test, deca . Test, tren, anadrol.

This cycle took me a long long time to work out but it seems like a lot of gear now i look at it! Any advice is very much appreciated!!

If your wondering why i weigh so little after 2 cycles i lost it all after a personal matter and i started steroids young as iv been brought up around them most of my life with family ect being bodybuilders!

**SlimmerMe** · 10-08-2011, 05:30 PM

My question too. Are you 20 or 21?

Either way please re-think your plan. You could mess up your endocrine system big time. So not worth it.

Come on over to the Diet Questin forum to learn to eat. We all end up there sooner or later. Hope to see you there~

**SlimmerMe** · 10-08-2011, 05:53 PM

The young and Steroids by Marcus300

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**Oli-G** · 10-09-2011, 04:25 AM

I just turned 21 corse i no my age lol
I agree with what your all saying except if u read what i rote i lost all my weight when i was very ill. My diet is pretty good if im honest, ill put it up if you all wana giv advice on it?

**ottomaddox** · 10-09-2011, 06:37 AM

Your probably going to do what you want. Remember you were warned about the possible consequences. When you come here posting about your erectile dsyfunction, you're not going to get much sympathy.

**itsmrgreen** · 10-09-2011, 06:59 AM

PCT should be nolva and clomid and if you want keep running the HCG for PCT also. And how bout you drop the tren and Anadrol and just do Test E,EQ, and Dbol this cycle gives great gains.

**The Bear 79** · 10-09-2011, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by itsmrgreen

PCT should be nolva and clomid and if you want keep running the HCG for PCT also. And how bout you drop the tren and Anadrol and just do Test E,EQ, and Dbol this cycle gives great gains.

Keep advising like this & u will eventually b banned for giving advice that could b detrimental 2 the health of the user. After reading ur post history, its obvious u know jack sh!t, so shut the fvck up & quit condoning & permoting under 25 use, 21 is too yung 2 cycle, just cuz ur doin it, doesnt make it ok, it makes u an example of ignorance.

**gonzo6183** · 10-09-2011, 07:37 AM

Might as well use the Manatee method

**irongod** · 10-09-2011, 07:40 AM

dude wtf, your 4th cycle and you only way 11.5 stones at 12% bf? do you know about diet?

**irongod** · 10-09-2011, 07:41 AM

btw dnt go 100mg on the anadrol , too damaging

**Livinlean** · 10-09-2011, 10:21 AM

If you lost your weight after being ill why don't you try getting back to where you were naturally before cycling? For example if you started at 150 got to 190 after some cycles and went down to 160 after being ill why not try to get back to 190 naturally and than juice to get to 205 or w.e instead of just barely getting to what you were before cycling? JMO.

On a side note, what is the heaviest you have ever been?

And I agree with irongod don't go to 100mg on anadrol that will be bad for your liver down the road.

**gixxerboy1** · 10-09-2011, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by oznog6183

Might as well use the Manatee method

lol That would probably design something better

**itsmrgreen** · 10-09-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Keep advising like this & u will eventually b banned for giving advice that could b detrimental 2 the health of the user. After reading ur post history, its obvious u know jack sh!t, so shut the fvck up & quit condoning & permoting under 25 use, 21 is too yung 2 cycle, just cuz ur doin it, doesnt make it ok, it makes u an example of ignorance.

They were warned and if they want to do it and screw up their body go ahead and you dont know me so please stop saying im underage, thanks fuc*er

**Livinlean** · 10-09-2011, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by itsmrgreen

They were warned and if they want to do it and screw up their body go ahead and you dont know me so please stop saying im underage, thanks fuc*er

Your profile says your 21... lol

**The Bear 79** · 10-09-2011, 03:51 PM

Well "fuc*er", how old r u? Cuz ur profile sez ur 21, (let me guess..........mistake rite.........

) which around here makes u too yung 4 steroids . And just cuz others hav warned the yung not 2 cycle, doesn't mak it ok for u to condone & suggest it like an arrogant, retard, with ur claim 2 fame being "I'm 21 & I did it.........."