My First Cycle, Finally completed. Let me know what use think.

**matt_vin90** · 09-13-2011, 09:59 AM

I have posted before with different cycles but I have ordered this one today, so let me know what you think. I am happy with it, its pretty simple as it should be as its my first cycle. My stats are 21 years old 80kg, 14 body fat, 181 cm. 3 years of training, but solid last year training 5/6 days a week.

Now this is my cycle, let me know if its ok.

week 1 250mg test e + dianabol 25mg (split into halves or quaters to insure that it is in my blood stream all day)

week 2 250mg test e + dianabol 25mg (split into halves or quaters to insure that it is in my blood stream all day)

week 3 250mg test e + dianabol 25mg (split into halves or quaters to insure that it is in my blood stream all day)

week 4 250mg test e + dianabol 25mg (split into halves or quaters to insure that it is in my blood stream all day)

week 5 250mg test e

week 6 250mg test e

week 7 250mg test e

week 8 250mg test e

week 9 250mg test e

week 10 250mg test e

week 11 – week 12 break to let the test leave my body

week 13 – 14 Nolvadex 20mg daily for my post cycle.

Now few questions about my post cycle. Is the amount of Nolvadex enough, and should I give my body a break of just get onto the Nolvadex right away after the 10 week course.

Also should I run the Nolvadex for more than 2 weeks (maybe 4 or is that a waste).

Finally if I do have that two week break should I take anything else for those 2 weeks or for a month ? I was considering taking Clomid but I read Nolvadex is basically the same.

The only thing im not 100% sure about is my Post Cycle, I think its solid but I feel that the PCT is the most important thing so thats why im asking about it so please let me know if i need anything or if i should take anything else in my break period of PCT section. THanks

**dec11** · 09-13-2011, 10:04 AM

havent a clue what you're doing and as you're only 21 you wont get help here off anyone respectable

**matt_vin90** · 09-13-2011, 10:06 AM

i no its young, but im going to start it so please can you just give me some advise. i am going to take it regardless so if they want to help me please give me advise about my cycle opposed to not taking it

**gixxerboy1** · 09-13-2011, 10:07 AM

your 5'11 and 160lbs. You need to learn how to train and eat properly. that is light for your height and at 14%bf you def have problems to fix.

And yes 21 is young

**gixxerboy1** · 09-13-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by matt_vin90

i no its young, but im going to start it so please can you just give me some advise. i am going to take it regardless so if they want to help me please give me advise about my cycle opposed to not taking it

you are set up to fail. You may gain a few lbs but will loose it all after you stop. You dont know how to eat to grow. You cant make muscle out of nothing no matter what you inject

**dec11** · 09-13-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by matt_vin90

i no its young, but im going to start it so please can you just give me some advise. i am going to take it regardless so if they want to help me please give me advise about my cycle opposed to not taking it

go right ahead, we'll await your 'oh shit, ive fvcked up' thread in the near future

**shooterdude** · 09-13-2011, 10:24 AM

i know this is off topic but damn blondie is lookin sweet in that pic

**vici** · 09-13-2011, 10:32 AM

your 5'11 and 160lbs. You need to learn how to train and eat properly. that is light for your height

Is there an "optimum time" to start then in terms of weight / height ratio. And how do you know if you are ready (in terms of this ratio).

I understand obviously it would not be advised to start at 21 or if you had only just started training, but wonder about it in terms of height and weight.

**dec11** · 09-13-2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by vici

Is there an "optimum time" to start then in terms of weight / height ratio. And how do you know if you are ready (in terms of this ratio).

I understand obviously it would not be advised to start at 21 or if you had only just started training, but wonder about it in terms of height and weight.

it simply means that at that height he is very light

to put in context, im 5'9 and hit 200lbs natty

**vici** · 09-13-2011, 10:46 AM

it simply means that at that height he is very light

to put in context, im 5'9 and hit 200lbs natty

ah cheers for reply man. so in this case for whatever reason it would be best if op gained afew more pounds natty before starting?

**hillbill78** · 09-13-2011, 10:48 AM

cycle looks poor and as for your age it is young to start but i dont believe 21 is too young just as long as you know what youre doing.
250mg of test-e is not worth shutting your body down for, if your going to cycle i would up it to 500mg a week split dose 250mg mon 250mg thurs, as for the d-bol some wont reccoment it seeing as its your first cycle but 25mg is nothing special so if you are going to use d-bol i would atleast up it to 30mg ed. as for PCT that is very poor you should run nolvadex & clomid for 4 weeks, this is my PCT setup
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

**dec11** · 09-13-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by vici

ah cheers for reply man. so in this case for whatever reason it would be best if op gained afew more pounds natty before starting?

yes and at least 4yrs

**RaZr** · 09-13-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by vici

Is there an "optimum time" to start then in terms of weight / height ratio. And how do you know if you are ready (in terms of this ratio).

I understand obviously it would not be advised to start at 21 or if you had only just started training, but wonder about it in terms of height and weight.

I'm 5'7 192 and 12% bf and I've never cycled

**gixxerboy1** · 09-13-2011, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by vici

ah cheers for reply man. so in this case for whatever reason it would be best if op gained afew more pounds natty before starting?

well it more shows that he doesnt know how to eat or train properly. Why do steroids if you dont know the basics?

**vici** · 09-13-2011, 10:58 AM

yes and at least 4yrs

yes I would agree

well it more shows that he doesnt know how to eat or train properly. Why do steroids if you dont know the basics?

thats true. Sorry, I just wondered if there was any other reason behind it as im researching as much as possible and want to find out as much as I can.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-13-2011, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by vici

yes I would agree

thats true. Sorry, I just wondered if there was any other reason behind it as im researching as much as possible and want to find out as much as I can.

no worries

**dec11** · 09-13-2011, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by hillbill78

cycle looks poor and as for your age it is young to start but i dont believe 21 is too young just as long as you know what youre doing.
250mg of test-e is not worth shutting your body down for, if your going to cycle i would up it to 500mg a week split dose 250mg mon 250mg thurs, as for the d-bol some wont reccoment it seeing as its your first cycle but 25mg is nothing special so if you are going to use d-bol i would atleast up it to 30mg ed. as for PCT that is very poor you should run nolvadex & clomid for 4 weeks, this is my PCT setup
nolvadex 40/40/20/20
clomid 50/50/25/25

see what i meant about 'respectable'. total idiot

**hillbill78** · 09-13-2011, 11:22 AM

better to have him doing the info i have put down than what he was going to go ahead with

**gixxerboy1** · 09-13-2011, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by hillbill78

better to have him doing the info i have put down than what he was going to go ahead with

are you serious? He shouldn't run anything and you told him to up the doses. And you think that is better?

**hillbill78** · 09-13-2011, 11:34 AM

if your going to shut your body down you might aswell get something out of it rather than a waste of money

**gixxerboy1** · 09-13-2011, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by hillbill78

if your going to shut your body down you might aswell get something out of it rather than a waste of money

you can get plenty out of what he proposed.
Again please dont give advice if you dont know what you are talking about

**hillbill78** · 09-13-2011, 12:03 PM

i know what i am talking about and i didnt say it was a good idea for him to cycle i just tweaked it abit to his advantage, 250mg of enanthate is not enought in my opionion to get much in the way of size gains, on this forum 500mg test-e is what most would advise for a first cycle. and his original PCT sucked.

**shooterdude** · 09-13-2011, 12:05 PM

gixxer u are a lucky man

**chuckt12345** · 09-13-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by shooterdude

gixxer u are a lucky man

pretty sure shes winking at me under those glasses

**Hazard** · 09-13-2011, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by hillbill78

i know what i am talking about and i didnt say it was a good idea for him to cycle i just tweaked it abit to his advantage, 250mg of enanthate is not enought in my opionion to get much in the way of size gains, on this forum 500mg test-e is what most would advise for a first cycle. and his original PCT sucked.

It's morally unacceptable to give him any info other than what he needs to hear. If he goes ahead and runs 500mg's and something bad happens (who knows) - then his parents find out what he did or he tells them he got the info here then you are the one to blame. Now that may not bother you and thats fine..... it probably wouldn't bother most. However..... I don't want to be responsible for him hurting himself nor do I want any trouble to come to this site from doing so. I can sleep at night knowing he made the choice to run the cycle against my advice..... it's now his fvcking problem. I just don't want to be responsible for telling someone what they want to hear and then them get hurt form it.....

Thats why MOST members here wont give advice to anyone they feel is unfit - whether they are too young or don't know enough.....

~Haz~