Sust and Test E cycle? for a bulk 1st cycle

[mrzedx]

Hey guys,

Im looking to go on my first cycle for a bulk i was told that Testosterone Enanthate and Sustanon 250 would be a good combination for me. I tend to disagree, I would rather stack Test E and maybe dianabol for the first 4 weeks.

would you guys recommend something?

thanks in advance

[magic32]

Stats?
Test E and Test E would best!

[rhino6218]

yes please post stats. and i wouldnt really listen to whoever told you "test e and sustanon" lol

[mrzedx]

lol yes i told the idiot the exact same thing do not stack 2 tests lol..

my stats are

Age 20
BF 8%-10
Weight 65KG

ive been training for quiet a while now and know nutriition is key and abuse will cause problems! PCT is necessary and im looking into HCG now...

the cycle i was looking into was

Dianabol weeks 1-4 unsure of how much is a good amount.
Test E weeks 1-12 500mg a week

I was very unsure as to dosages and why people steer me away from dianabol.

thanks guys.

[rhino6218]

oh shit. man at 20 and 143 lbs someones gonna be flaming you bro. hows your eating coming along?

[mrzedx]

lol i was expecting some flaming anyways, yeah diets been okay, ive done it a while back hit about 75KG but lost it all in a few months due to bad eating habits etc. and work was killing me so didnt have time for anything...

but i know for sure to go for a clean bulk while on gear ill need at least 2g of protien per pound and at least 4-5Kcals.

FLAME SUIT ON.

EDIT: Height 5'11-6'

[rhino6218]

wow! dude go check out the diet and supplementation forms please... yes the correct idea around the diet! however as a nutritionist let me tell you that setting numbers for yourself is the easy part. i will say this if you do not have your diet in check you will be very disappointed. and you will lose all your gains and maybe even more during pct. but...i am a realist however and i know you are going to do it reguardless of what me or anyone else tells you...lol so. so this is number 2 cycle for you?

[shooterdude]

test e and sust lol

[mrzedx]

i know eating like a horse is necessary etc.
i like your approach to things, haha... i have hit 75kg naturally before.

i too believe in diet is key to gains, off and on gear. what i wanted to know is

1. deca/dianabol stacked with test e for fist cycle yes or no/why not if so dosages?
2. if test E is the way to go dosages i know im 20 and i have alot to loose, but i want to steer clear of abuse and respect the gear.
3. is test e really the best way to go about for a bulk?
4. 4-5Kcals is enough while on the gear?

i will get my bloodwork done and post it up to see what the best way to go is.

EDIT: 5. PCT clomid nolvadex etc? dosages ? how would i go about them.

[rhino6218]

dude i love the s**t that comes outta peoples mouth nowadays.

[rhino6218]

here's what id do if i were virgin again
test e or c 1-10 400mg
dbol should shouldnt be any higher than about 30mg or so. i wouldnt use it at all on my first cycle but thats just me
week 11 n 12- last shot on week 11 dont do shit on week 12 and on week 13 begin nolva/clomid
nolva for 4 weeks 40/30/20/20 clomid for 3 weeks 100/50/50....sorry for shitty formatting im trying to eat breakfst get dressed for work and get some post in lol

[marcus300]

Please dont take any of the advice on you doing steroids at your age and weight. Its pointless in using steroids when your diet is so poor, you will lose all your gains once the cycle ends due to your diet not being able to support the new tissue.

Your also way to young and shutting down your natural testosterone before its fully developed can cause your serious problems, you have a high amount of test naturally so use it with a solid diet for the next few yrs.

[Chevroletstud]

Why is someone advising a 20 year old 145lbs kid about a cycle??

[rhino6218]

the guy is going to do it anyway. and apparently the guy who was sourcing his infor before "test e and sustanon" is not very competent.

[rhino6218]

anyways zed, chvy is right. you have an outline now, but once again stop by the diet and training forums before you waste any of your money or natural testosterone ok bro? you got all the time in the world to mess around with gear.