need help with first cycle

[wannabastrongman]

hey there im trying to become a strong man so strength is very important and i have been thinking of using some sort of test cycle i just dont know the best to use i have looked at so much information just need someone to clarify or simplify the vast knowledge of the internet

i am 20 years old
5'11
250
12%bf
lifting for 4 years

[marcus300]

You have a great base but do you know the risks involved by shutting down your natural testosterone before its fully developed?

[wannabastrongman]

i know that it can be shut down permenantly and that if u dont do stuff correctly u can mess up alot but done correctly the gains cant be beat

[marcus300]

Your hpta isn't fully developed yet at your age and by shutting down your system can cause you problems you wished you never had at your age.

[wannabastrongman]

what kind of problems

[marcus300]

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:


There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

Marcus

[wannabastrongman]

thank you my friend i apreeciate all the info and i will take that into consideration the alure of the steroids are strong and i doesnt help that i have hit a platoe in my lifts what dou think is the safest way to use them if i were to

[Nooomoto]

thank you my friend i apreeciate all the info and i will take that into consideration the alure of the steroids are strong and i doesnt help that i have hit a platoe in my lifts what dou think is the safest way to use them if i were to

Smart man. Most of the people your age that come on here just tell us we are all idiots and losers and they go and do it anyway. Stick with the basics for now, you'll go farther in the long run.

[wannabastrongman]

i know there are plenty of posts about first cycles but what would u say is a good first cycle for strength

[dec11]

thank you my friend i apreeciate all the info and i will take that into consideration the alure of the steroids are strong and i doesnt help that i have hit a platoe in my lifts what dou think is the safest way to use them if i were to

have you exhausted all possibilities with getting over the plateau, sometimes a week or so off can work wonders as can a change in diet. i hit many plateaus in 16yrs plifting and beat them naturally

[wannabastrongman]

well i have tried most of all things that i know and have read its a plateau in my strength and its been the same for 6 months and i wanna get a steady advance so i can get into competition

[dec11]

I am getting winstrol for the first time because I'm trying to loose some fat how doe it work

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start your own thread

Have you tried winstrol before

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no

[wannabastrongman]

hey dec11 what would u suggest as a good first cycle everything included the test a jumpstart like dbol on cycle support pct

[dec11]

hey dec11 what would u suggest as a good first cycle everything included the test a jumpstart like dbol on cycle support pct

sorry pal, but due to your age i wouldnt advise you.

i still say you can keeps gaining natty, i could right up to 31 in a strength discipline and probably could have kept gaining. keep pegging away at it until you're 25 and then consider chemicals

whats your top squat and dlift?

[wannabastrongman]

my best squat was 605 below 90 and deadlift was 650 both raw no belts no nothing

[wannabastrongman]

my best squat was 605 below 90 and deadlift was 650 both raw no belts no nothing

[SimplyFlawless]

lol 5'11 250lbs at 12% and never done aas. you are full of shit. post a pic

[wannabastrongman]

whats aas stand for and yes as of today i was 247 and but i have been lazy and im up to 14 percent bf

[SimplyFlawless]

whats aas stand for and yes as of today i was 247 and but i have been lazy and im up to 14 percent bf

Anabolic Androgenic Steroids

I am willing to bet you are retaining a ton of water and your stats are deceiving. The genetic limit for most people at 5'11 is roughly 185lbs at 8%

[wannabastrongman]

i have always been heavy i am very dense always have been and if i was retaining water idc i weigh almost 250 pounds and i can squat and deadlift well over 600 ive always trained for strength and mass none of that cutting bullshit

[Bonaparte]

Anabolic Androgenic Steroids

I am willing to bet you are retaining a ton of water and your stats are deceiving. The genetic limit for most people at 5'11 is roughly 185lbs at 8%

You have no idea what you're talking about.
You've never seen someone who was genetically larger and stronger than average?

[wannabastrongman]

yea that 185 is the doctors tiles they go off of i was 12 pounds at birth and 145 pounds and very active i was in 3 public sports and good at them in 3rd grade i have always been a monster and if and when i do use aas i will hope to be around 300 pounds and lifting in the 900 pound range for squat and dlift

[SimplyFlawless]

You have no idea what you're talking about.
You've never seen someone who was genetically larger and stronger than average?

oh boy, you are severely misguided. I gave a general consensus, of course there are exceptions...but not with stats like the op posted

[wannabastrongman]

how am i misguided i know my size i know im not fat and everyone i know is supposedly in better shape than me and i can out run out jump im very athletic im hogh school i ran a 5.8 40 yard dash and i was 225 then not everyone is the same and there are exceptions

[dec11]

lol 5'11 250lbs at 12% and never done aas. you are full of shit. post a pic

no need for that

Anabolic Androgenic Steroids

I am willing to bet you are retaining a ton of water and your stats are deceiving. The genetic limit for most people at 5'11 is roughly 185lbs at 8%

you are clueless, and yet tell other ppl they are full of shit? take a look at yourself

[dec11]

oh boy, you are severely misguided. I gave a general consensus, of course there are exceptions...but not with stats like the op posted

someone ban this tool, his user name says it all

[wannabastrongman]

thanks dec11 i have worked very hard to be as big and strong as i am now and this guys telling me im full of shit and and bloated i dont get it were supposed to be on here bettering eachother with info

[dec11]

thanks dec11 i have worked very hard to be as big and strong as i am now and this guys telling me im full of shit and and bloated i dont get it were supposed to be on here bettering eachother with info

hes most likely been banned before and on to raise trouble, ignore him, his user name speaks volumes of his character

[wannabastrongman]

haha yea i know did u read my squat and dlift what u think

[dec11]

haha yea i know did u read my squat and dlift what u think

very impressive numbers

[wannabastrongman]

thanks i hope to get into the 700s naturally than excell past into the 800 or more on roids if it works out right

[SimplyFlawless]

someone ban this tool, his user name says it all

I have browsed a few threads and you seem to act like a know-it-all, which is too bad because so many users are probably naive enough to think you know a thing or two. Why don't you post a pic of yourself since you seem to be somewhat of an authority. Or better yet, how about the op backs up his stats with a pic and let's see who is right between you and I

[wannabastrongman]

even if I posted a pic witch I won't cause I never take pictures I'm not in love with myself but you would say I weigh 215 max cause my size and defenition but I am 250 and I don't have to prove shit to you why don't you post a pic

[1000_DaysAsTheLion]

5'11 250 12%. unless you look like this guy flawless is probably right.
[url]http://ww w.bodybuilders.com/ebergeron.htm

look into Var, supposed to be great for strength gains and minimal sides. also good if you are trying to stay in a weight class. But your only 20, 21 is like the bare minimum age to start, so listen to dec11. and your lifts are good, but for your weight you can definitely get a lot higher without AAS. if you have hit a wall it is something with your training/diet/rest/etc.

[SimplyFlawless]

even if I posted a pic witch I won't cause I never take pictures I'm not in love with myself but you would say I weigh 215 max cause my size and defenition but I am 250 and I don't have to prove shit to you why don't you post a pic

I figured you would make an excuse. It should be mandatory to post a pic if you are starting a thread asking for advice

[dec11]

I figured you would make an excuse. It should be mandatory to post a pic if you are starting a thread asking for advice

here 5mins and demanding mandatory pics, i could almost guarantee you're banned within the next 3 days. your a tosser, plain and simple.

my pic has been my avi many times, ive nothing prove to an arrogant tosser such as you

[dec11]

5'11 250 12%. unless you look like this guy flawless is probably right.
[url]http://ww w.bodybuilders.com/ebergeron.htm

look into Var, supposed to be great for strength gains and minimal sides. also good if you are trying to stay in a weight class. But your only 20, 21 is like the bare minimum age to start, so listen to dec11. and your lifts are good, but for your weight you can definitely get a lot higher without AAS. if you have hit a wall it is something with your training/diet/rest/etc.

no man, 25, do not encourage underage use or you wont have many friends on here, and if you have a shred of dignity dont side with someone called 'flawless' lol, hes a trouble stirring troll

[SimplyFlawless]

here 5mins and demanding mandatory pics, i could almost guarantee you're banned within the next 3 days. your a tosser, plain and simple.

my pic has been my avi many times, ive nothing prove to an arrogant tosser such as you

starting to think your current avi is also a picture of you

no man, 25, do not encourage underage use or you wont have many friends on here, and if you have a shred of dignity dont side with someone called 'flawless' lol, hes a trouble stirring troll

25 is the age minimum? That entirely depends on someone's goals, yet you spit it out as fact for anyone playing this game. Waiting until 25 acts on the extreme side of caution,

Anyways, I will probably stop posting. It is truly a shame people on this site take advice from people like you who have been given the wrong info somewhere and now preach it as truth.

[devildog1967]

Just read hes stats for lifting .. Well if he can lift that then im stopping training as iv wasted all these years .. awesome lol

[The Bear 79]

Just read hes stats for lifting .. Well if he can lift that then im stopping training as iv wasted all these years .. awesome lol

No sh!t! That IS pretty impressive!