My 2nd cycle thoughts?

[Revop0001]

I'm going to be running my second cycle in 3 weeks time and could do with some help!

Previous cycle history: 500mg test e - 12 weeks
Age: 24
Lifting experience: 5 years
Lift 5 times a week
Clean diet

Proposed cycle:
Goal: loose body-fat, retain/slight gain muscle mass
I'm needle shy so I've decided to run oil based steroids so less frequent injections.

Weeks 1- 10: 600mg sust/ 300 deca (Mon/ Thurs)
Weeks 9-12: Anavar 40mg/ day

*Will be running HCG throughout weeks 1-16 at 300iu Mon/Thurs*

Weeks 13-14: Nolva 40, clomid 100, HCG
Weeks 15-16: Nolva 20, clomid 50, HCG

Could you suggest any improvements?

Would you recommend an oral kickstart? If so what oral?

What dose should I run HCG at during weeks 13-16 (ie my pct)?


Many thanks!

[chuckt12345]

drop the deca for the goals you posted

[D7M]

drop the deca for the goals you posted

Agreed, and run the var for longer...the whole cycle if you can afford it.

[Revop0001]

bump

[The Bear 79]

Ur 24 y/o, that means ur 1st cycle wuz @ the age of 22 or 23 (I assume) BAD idea. U shouldn't hav cycled THEN & u shouldn't b cycling now, u could (if u havnt already) do some irreversible damage 2 ur body, (& if u hav already done damage, u could make it worse) especially with as many compounds as u want 2 run, & for 16 wks!!??

[D7M]

Ur 24 y/o, that means ur 1st cycle wuz @ the age of 22 or 23 (I assume) BAD idea. U shouldn't hav cycled THEN & u shouldn't b cycling now, u could (if u havnt already) do some irreversible damage 2 ur body, (& if u hav already done damage, u could make it worse) especially with as many compounds as u want 2 run, & for 16 wks!!??

Settle down, holmes. You're just assuming he ran his first cycle at 22. And his cycle is 12 weeks with a few weeks of PCT, pretty standard.

[The Bear 79]

Settle down, holmes. You're just assuming he ran his first cycle at 22. And his cycle is 12 weeks with a few weeks of PCT, pretty standard.

I said 22 OR 23, he's 24 now, I'd say that's a fair assumption, & he hasn't stated otherwise & he's shootin for a 16 wk. cycle nit 12. And r we gona stick 2 this 25 & older guideline or not? It cant b OK 4 some 2 cycle under 25 but not others. I understand the need 2 advise some1 under 25 that is in the middle of a cycle, fvucked up, & needs help fixing himself, but y advise a 24 y/o (how 2 cycle) that's about 2 start his next cycle, but hasn't started yet, y not advise him NOT 2, & tell him y. U cant b on the fence about this, its either OK 2 cycle under 25 or it isnt, if 24 is close enuf to 25, then 23 is close enuf to 24 & so on & so on. Its cut & dry................... "Holmes"................

[D7M]

There is no forum "guideline" that says no one under 25 can cycle..Ever. That's just a general consensus, one of which we seem to disagree in this instance. Best to you.

[The Bear 79]

There is no forum "guideline" that says no one under 25 can cycle..Ever. That's just a general consensus, one of which we seem to disagree in this instance. Best to you.

And you.

[gixxerboy1]

no need to start hcg at week 1. Do not run hcg during pct. I'd drop the deca
pct starting time is off

[Revop0001]

Just to clarify:

my 1st cycle was 12 weeks of test E at 500mg (250 Mon, 250 Thurs) and I was 23.

The cycle length will be 10 weeks of injectables, but I want to run an oral such as anavar to bridge the gap between the stopping of injecting steroids and PCT. i.e. start anavar 4 weeks prior to pct

I thought you start pct 3 weeks after the last shot of sust/ deca ??

Also what dose of HCG should I do? And do I start it at weeks 3 to the start of pct?

Thanks for you advice!

[gixxerboy1]

Just to clarify:

my 1st cycle was 12 weeks of test E at 500mg (250 Mon, 250 Thurs) and I was 23.

The cycle length will be 10 weeks of injectables, but I want to run an oral such as anavar to bridge the gap between the stopping of injecting steroids and PCT. i.e. start anavar 4 weeks prior to pct

I thought you start pct 3 weeks after the last shot of sust/ deca ??

Also what dose of HCG should I do? And do I start it at weeks 3 to the start of pct?

Thanks for you advice!

yes 21 days. So you only took of week 11 and 12. Thats 14 days

[chuckt12345]

so Bear if the guy is 25 and we give him advice and he fks himself up its ok because hes 25? AAS guidelines are not black and white.

[The Bear 79]

so Bear if the guy is 25 and we give him advice and he fks himself up its ok because hes 25? AAS guidelines are not black and white.

It IS black & white, its either OK to advise the yung how 2 cycle or it isnt, its that simple, like I said b4, if 24 is close enuf to 25, then 23 is close enuf to 24 & so on, & so on. The majority of the reason behind NOT helping any1 under 25 cycle is so they don't do damage 2 their endo, if we advise some1 over 25 & he fvks himself up, the likelihood that he damaged his endo system (which is irreversible) is practically nil, but wut ever damage he may hav done, will most likly b fixable (not always, but most of the time) Personally, I would rather deal with some aggressive gyno than any of the potential problems that could arise from using 2 yung + gyno, wouldn't u?

[ThE DarK KnighT]

I know you needle shy, but you should think about running Test P at .75 ml ED for 8 weeks. You will see ridculous results.

[gixxerboy1]

I know you needle shy, but you should think about running Test P at .75 ml ED for 8 weeks. You will see ridculous results.

how do you know since you have another thread asking questions about that cycle. And .75 ml is absolutely meaningless

[Revop0001]

Thanks guys, really appreciate the comments.

I've revised my cycle and would like feedback as to whether its any good?


Weeks 1- 10: 600mg sust/ 300 deca (Mon/ Thurs)
Weeks 1-8: Anavar 40mg/ day

*Will be running HCG throughout weeks 3-10 at 300iu Mon/Thurs*

Weeks 13-14: Nolva 40, clomid 100
Weeks 15-16: Nolva 20, clomid 50

________

Or is this a possible cycle or is 2 different orals too toxic for the liver?

Weeks 1- 10: 600mg sust/ 300 deca (Mon/ Thurs)
Weeks 1-4: Anavar 40mg/ day
Weeks 7-10 Winstrol 40mg/day

HCG throughout weeks 3-10 at 300iu Mon/Thurs

Weeks 13-14: Nolva 40, clomid 100
Weeks 15-16: Nolva 20, clomid 50


Thanks for the feedback

[Revop0001]

bump

[Sector]

I dont beleive there is a rule that you cant give advice to people under the age of 25. While I agree with the advice of not cycling until the age of 25, I myself did not follow it and the only thing I regret about it is my first few cycles were foolish and showed a lack of maturity. I was already headed towards TrT before I touched any AAS. D7M is a grown man and whats more he is respected by many members of this board, he has been very helpful to many people and as such I beleive he is more then able to decide who he chooses to advise or not advise.

No disrespect Bear, I know your just thinking in the best interest of the OP.

[The Bear 79]

I dont beleive there is a rule that you cant give advice to people under the age of 25. While I agree with the advice of not cycling until the age of 25, I myself did not follow it and the only thing I regret about it is my first few cycles were foolish and showed a lack of maturity. I was already headed towards TrT before I touched any AAS. D7M is a grown man and whats more he is respected by many members of this board, he has been very helpful to many people and as such I beleive he is more then able to decide who he chooses to advise or not advise.

No disrespect Bear, I know your just thinking in the best interest of the OP.

No worries bro, every1 has opinions. But, in my defense, I never said it was a rule.

[shooterdude]

so how about those yankee's lol

[Revop0001]

Bump for help!