NON testosterone cycle?

[chopper guy]

does anyone have any experiance and results with a non test cycle? And please i dont want to hear test is the base of every cycle.the 3 cycles i have done with test at moderate doses i got bloated even using arimidex,aromasin and novaldex.

[Far from massive]

Why the hell would you post it here then when you know that this is the accepted reasoning on this board on cycles? Thats like going to a sport bike forum and trying to convince them how apehangers and pickle fork connecting rod v twins are the shit you will have just as much support.

OK sorry ball bustin over here is some food for thought.

I would think the first thing to post would be your experience with the three test cycles, what mg per week, did you ever try a short ester, are you on other meds, what is are your stats, age wieght hieght etc. and also have you ever had blood work done? Look at it this way you body already uses test so assuming your age is good and body fat is not too high etc. perhaps a multicompound cycle with a minimal dosage of test merely to support normal levels then another compound to give you the growth you seek might be a better idea than a test only cycle.

[chopper guy]

thanks for the reply. 35 yrs old 210 lbs 15% bf lifting 4 days a week, cardio 4 days week, hi protein moderate carb diet. last cycle was test e 500mg pw and gh 3 ius a day .5 arimidex a day. gained 20lbs and good strength but most of it was water.

[Lemonada8]

well.. test is the base of any AAS cycle... so dunno what you are wanting to hear

[10nispro]

try using test p. It seems to be less bloat. Also your diet may need tweeking some.

I've done non-test cycles with tbol for just experience and didn't like the cycle. Added test to a tbol cycle and loved the results

[gymfu]

The problem isn't just that test is the base, it's the fact that any AAS you use is going to lower and/or shutdown your nattural testosterone.

If your having over bloating issues use test prop next time.

If you only gained water and lost all your weight after cycle then that means you didn't build any muscle, that's not a proplem with the gear. 10 bucks says it's your diet. Post up you diet in the diet section on this board, and get help.

GL

[songdog]

That could be your problem your diet.

[sizzlechest]

I have tried cycle without test and there is nothing wrong with it. the only down side it that some AAS kill your libido after a few weeks. Ive done Wintrol and Anavar only cyles with no problem. Sometime test actually causes more problems. worst case scenario you don't have sex for a few weeks. Or you can get some test prop and use it down the line if you really need too. it is true that AAS cause you system to shut but the more you use and the harsher the compound the more you will shut your system down.

[The Bear 79]

I have tried cycle without test and there is nothing wrong with it. the only down side it that some AAS kill your libido after a few weeks. Ive done Wintrol and Anavar only cyles with no problem. Sometime test actually causes more problems. worst case scenario you don't have sex for a few weeks. Or you can get some test prop and use it down the line if you really need too. it is true that AAS cause you system to shut but the more you use and the harsher the compound the more you will shut your system down.

Theres nothing wrong the shut down of ur body's natural testosterone production???? Not having sex 4 a few wks is FAR from the "worst case scenario". U need mor study time dude. I'm dieing 2 hear wut logic or evidence u hav that supports these claims.

[hankdiesel]

does anyone have any experiance and results with a non test cycle? And please i dont want to hear test is the base of every cycle.the 3 cycles i have done with test at moderate doses i got bloated even using arimidex,aromasin and novaldex.

Probably because you don't eat clean. You're also not drinking enough water if you're holding all that fluid from a low dose of test.

[Bio-Active]

The problem isn't just that test is the base, it's the fact that any AAS you use is going to lower and/or shutdown your nattural testosterone.

If your having over bloating issues use test prop next time.

If you only gained water and lost all your weight after cycle then that means you didn't build any muscle, that's not a proplem with the gear. 10 bucks says it's your diet. Post up you diet in the diet section on this board, and get help.

GL

Great advice

[gonzo6183]

Try going a different route and give peptides a go, I know a bunch of guys running them now and getting as good and some better results than while on AAS, no bloat either

[dec11]

I have tried cycle without test and there is nothing wrong with it. the only down side it that some AAS kill your libido after a few weeks. Ive done Wintrol and Anavar only cyles with no problem. Sometime test actually causes more problems. worst case scenario you don't have sex for a few weeks. Or you can get some test prop and use it down the line if you really need too. it is true that AAS cause you system to shut but the more you use and the harsher the compound the more you will shut your system down.

here 7yrs and advising like this?!


OP, ive done afew cyles without test, they were sh1t

[dec11]

Try going a different route and give peptides a go, I know a bunch of guys running them now and getting as good and some better results than while on AAS, no bloat either

no harm, but i srsly doubt this

[dec11]

That could be your problem your diet.

bingo

[chuckt12345]

well saying you have to have test in every cycle is BS. People come on hear wanting to do a anavar only cycle and people tell them they must do do a test only or their stupid. Do you realize anavar only cycle is WAY easier on the system than test cycle? Your gonna have way more sides from test than anavar.

[Lemonada8]

Do you realize that anavar will suppress test and with that being variable it's much smarter and better to have test in the cycle....

[chuckt12345]

Do you realize that anavar will suppress test and with that being variable it's much smarter and better to have test in the cycle....

I dont thnk i will supress enough to warrant the fact you have to run test with it. If you run test you WILL shut down, therefore its gonna have way more impact on your system and the likelyhood of more prbs down the road as compared to someone who just wanted to run anavar only. SO IMO if someone wants to run anavar only i would not always advise them they have to run test alongside it.

[homeboy69]

Try going a different route and give peptides a go, I know a bunch of guys running them now and getting as good and some better results than while on AAS, no bloat either

any advice on what pedtides give the best results? iv used igf1 in my pct in the past but wanna run a cycle of non aas soon..was wondering is igf1 the best to use for a little bit of strength and weight gain? im not expecting gains like what i experienced with aas im just lookin for a little boost

[guitario]

I think there are 3 types of people. Those who don't run test and mess up their hormone levels, those who don't use test and it actually offers less impact on their hormone levels, and those who don't run test who experience similar sides to that of a test cycle.

Nobody knows which category they belong to, and you will never know until it is too late. Some people are lucky and find out they are in the latter 2 categories but were maybe naive to do a non test cycle to begin with.

People on this forum want everyone to play it safe and to believe in the worst case scenario. That is just the way it is here. Not right or wrong, just sensible i suppose.

[gixxerboy1]

I dont thnk i will supress enough to warrant the fact you have to run test with it. If you run test you WILL shut down, therefore its gonna have way more impact on your system and the likelyhood of more prbs down the road as compared to someone who just wanted to run anavar only. SO IMO if someone wants to run anavar only i would not always advise them they have to run test alongside it.

and there is the problem.
everyone is different and some are lucky and can get away with it. There are plenty of guys who have come on here and have had issues on anavar only.

[gixxerboy1]

nobody say you have to run alot of test if bloating is your issue, just run a trt dose of 100mg

[chuckt12345]

First off im not saying running test with cycles is not a good idea,,, im saying is some instances it doesnt need to be added, i think alot of people dont truley grasp why test needs to be added and when;
Those who don't run test and mess up their hormone levels---how is adding test gonna be better for your hormone levels after the cycle is over in any instance????? Besides more muscle building adding test is only beneficial during cycle to keep you feeling like a male (libido, well being etc),, to say it will help your hormone levels out later on is flat wrong. Example, ive seen a few users on here saying that when they first started they did deca only and now their systems are all fkd up,,,, but how would adding test to that cycle when they started make it any better? If they screwed up their HPTA on deca only it would still be fkd up if it was test and deca.

[chuckt12345]

and there is the problem.
everyone is different and some are lucky and can get away with it. There are plenty of guys who have come on here and have had issues on anavar only.

agree but then you have to weighthe fact by adding test you may also screw up ur HPTA long term when otherwise the anavar only would not have done it. IE would you rather have your dick not work as good for a few weeks or run test and lose 100ng production of natural test for the rest of your life. Because IMO test has way more risk for that than anavar only will. Im not trying to go against the grain for safety but i do like saying their are other options.

[guitario]

First off im not saying running test with cycles is not a good idea,,, im saying is some instances it doesnt need to be added, i think alot of people dont truley grasp why test needs to be added and when;
Those who don't run test and mess up their hormone levels---how is adding test gonna be better for your hormone levels after the cycle is over in any instance????? Besides more muscle building adding test is only beneficial during cycle to keep you feeling like a male (libido, well being etc),, to say it will help your hormone levels out later on is flat wrong. Example, ive seen a few users on here saying that when they first started they did deca only and now their systems are all fkd up,,,, but how would adding test to that cycle when they started make it any better? If they screwed up their HPTA on deca only it would still be fkd up if it was test and deca.

This is something i often ponder but sadly we will never know the true answer to this without a time machine. I wonder if someone who messed up their hormones by taking steroids too young would mess them up just as much doing it 10 years later. Ie how much do genetics influence what goes on?

[guitario]

double post.

[LILD]

i HAVE RUN WINNY CLEN T3 CUTTING STACK WITHOUT TREN GOOD RESULTS , BUT I LOST MY SEX DRIVE ADDED LOW DOSE OF SUST AND SOME PRIMO, GREAATT RESULTS! STAYED LEAN AND ROCK HARD .

[Lemonada8]

First off im not saying running test with cycles is not a good idea,,, im saying is some instances it doesnt need to be added, i think alot of people dont truley grasp why test needs to be added and when;
Those who don't run test and mess up their hormone levels---how is adding test gonna be better for your hormone levels after the cycle is over in any instance????? Besides more muscle building adding test is only beneficial during cycle to keep you feeling like a male (libido, well being etc),, to say it will help your hormone levels out later on is flat wrong. Example, ive seen a few users on here saying that when they first started they did deca only and now their systems are all fkd up,,,, but how would adding test to that cycle when they started make it any better? If they screwed up their HPTA on deca only it would still be fkd up if it was test and deca.

You add test with deca so you dont get deca dick for one (deca does convert to DHN, which has WAY less affinity to the DHT receptor and that means weaker boners aka deca dick) when you add test you still provide the bodys natural hormone

agree but then you have to weighthe fact by adding test you may also screw up ur HPTA long term when otherwise the anavar only would not have done it. IE would you rather have your dick not work as good for a few weeks or run test and lose 100ng production of natural test for the rest of your life. Because IMO test has way more risk for that than anavar only will. Im not trying to go against the grain for safety but i do like saying their are other options.

incorrect. when you add test you are supplying the body with a hormone that is naturally produced and that has the same properties as natty test (minus the ester). Using anavar will suppress AND wont undergo the necessary changes that test has to do.. The latter is what messes some people up, but if you have test in there you dont have to worry about that

[chuckt12345]

incorrect. when you add test you are supplying the body with a hormone that is naturally produced and that has the same properties as natty test (minus the ester). Using anavar will suppress AND wont undergo the necessary changes that test has to do.. The latter is what messes some people up, but if you have test in there you dont have to worry about that

im talking about down the road,,, not during cycle. How would you think test is better for your system than anavar? (not during cycle, afterwards)

[Lemonada8]

because you revert yourself back to state of pre-puberty (in sense of production) then pct restarts production of natural test, its much easier to restart if you dont mess any of the other functions up

[chuckt12345]

because you revert yourself back to state of pre-puberty (in sense of production) then pct restarts production of natural test, its much easier to restart if you dont mess any of the other functions up

so your saying its easier to get back to normal completely shut down than it is than just being suppressed? Id like to know what other functions get screwed up from anavar than just test.