EQ vs Deca

**human project** · 10-06-2011, 01:22 AM

6'2 236.8 under 10%bf

I plan to do a mass cycle this winter and I can't decide if I'm going to use EQ or Deca . Some people say that EQ is a better strength gainer while others say it is useless. I've always stayed away from Deca because I seem to be really prone to water retention; I have plenty of arimidex and letro so that shouldent be a problem. My goal for this cycle is to gain the most amount of weight possible before going over 12%bf.

I'm also going to run 3-4 weeks of either dbol or anadrol . I've always loved anadrol but have been thinking about trying dbol. Any thoughts on one over the other??? Any advice would be greatly appriciated.

**Cravenmorehead** · 10-06-2011, 02:48 AM

I have liked the EQ i added to my test cycle......also anavar .....fixed my tendonitis.

**Bonaparte** · 10-06-2011, 03:58 AM

EQ and Deca aren't similar, so it isn't a one or the other kind of decision.
One will be suited to your goals, the other won't.

If you're trying to add mass, Deca is the obvious choice.

**MR10X** · 10-06-2011, 04:24 AM

Deca doesnt convert to estrogen so Letro and arimidex wont help with that,it will help with estrogen conversion from test.Dbol will aslo make you bloat,can say deca has been any better than Eq for me as far as gaining size.Dont expect to gain more than 4 or 5 pounds of muscle if that,so anything over that will be fat. having done both i prefer Eq over Deca,any bloat will be because of water retention from to much sodium or conversion of test or Dbol to estrogen.

**hankdiesel** · 10-06-2011, 06:22 AM

eq.....bahahahaha

**gonzo6183** · 10-06-2011, 07:06 AM

Prop/Tren /Var, im assuming with those stats you have some cycle experience of course

**human project** · 10-06-2011, 11:50 AM

I've never taken anavar although I got some for free with my last order. I gave them to one of my close friends because he is always talking about how he wanted to try them and my nutritionist and trainner both said that anavar wasn't worth adding. What experience with it do you have with using anavar in a mass gain.

Also after I hit 12% bf (which I estimate will be between 8-10 wks) I plan on switching to a test prop, masteron , and tren cycle also addng some clen /keto and start some hgh. I will take the hgh through this short cutting cycle (4-6wks) through my pct, and through my off time. At the very end of each cycle I take a few weeks of trt dose test, provern, and hcg . Pct clomid/nolvdex (4-6wks)

P.s I will be running ghrp 2 and cjc 1293 (300mcg) until I add the hgh.

**human project** · 10-06-2011, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

EQ and Deca aren't similar, so it isn't a one or the other kind of decision.
One will be suited to your goals, the other won't.

If you're trying to add mass, Deca is the obvious choice.

If they are not similar then can both be taken together. Would this be bennificial over taking just one?

**Hazard** · 10-06-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by human project

If they are not similar then can both be taken together. Would this be bennificial over taking just one?

EQ is an utter waste of money and syringe space. It doesn't add mass - I don't care what anyone says. I've used it up to 1000mg's a week and still nothing.

Why not use test and npp? Less water.... more mass.....

~Haz~

**Bonaparte** · 10-06-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by MR10X

Deca doesnt convert to estrogen so Letro and arimidex wont help with that,it will help with estrogen conversion from test.Dbol will aslo make you bloat,can say deca has been any better than Eq for me as far as gaining size.Dont expect to gain more than 4 or 5 pounds of muscle if that,so anything over that will be fat. having done both i prefer Eq over Deca,any bloat will be because of water retention from to much sodium or conversion of test or Dbol to estrogen.

Actually, nandrolone does convert to estrogen at roughly 20% the rate of test (and the the number is only this low because it has much more affinity for the 5a-r enzyme than aromatase). Not much, but when you take its progestigenic activities into account, this is where the bloat that many experience comes from (its interaction with prg and prl receptors increases the effect of estrogen in the body, both from the nandrolone itself, and any aromatising compounds stacked with it).

**gixxerboy1** · 10-06-2011, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Actually, nandrolone does convert to estrogen at roughly 20% the rate of test (and the the number is only this low because it has much more affinity for the 5a-r enzyme than aromatase). Not much, but when you take its progestigenic activities into account, this is where the bloat that many experience comes from (its interaction with prg and prl receptors increases the effect of estrogen in the body, both from the nandrolone itself, and any aromatising compounds stacked with it).

Your wasting your time with him buddy

**Bonaparte** · 10-06-2011, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Your wasting your time with him buddy

I know. It isn't for him, but for anyone reading his misleading posts.

**gonzo6183** · 10-06-2011, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by human project

I've never taken anavar although I got some for free with my last order. I gave them to one of my close friends because he is always talking about how he wanted to try them and my nutritionist and trainner both said that anavar wasn't worth adding. What experience with it do you have with using anavar in a mass gain.

Also after I hit 12% bf (which I estimate will be between 8-10 wks) I plan on switching to a test prop, masteron, and tren cycle also addng some clen/keto and start some hgh. I will take the hgh through this short cutting cycle (4-6wks) through my pct, and through my off time. At the very end of each cycle I take a few weeks of trt dose test, provern, and hcg . Pct clomid/nolvdex (4-6wks)

P.s I will be running ghrp 2 and cjc 1293 (300mcg) until I add the hgh.

So you plane on running a bulking cycle and cutting cycle in one? might want to do a little more research and go with just the bulking for now, do you PCT then run the test/tren /mast cutter later on.

There is no reason you will have to gain bodyfat during your bulk, I ran test/tren/var adding 6kg (13lb) and loosing 2% bf

**human project** · 10-06-2011, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

EQ is an utter waste of money and syringe space. It doesn't add mass - I don't care what anyone says. I've used it up to 1000mg's a week and still nothing.

Why not use test and npp? Less water.... more mass.....

~Haz~

I have also ran high doses of eq in the past and received much less gain than I expected. I will do some research on npp tho. I don't know much about npp other than it's a cousin to deca ; is it more similar to tren ? Is it stronger than deca? What type of dose and length do you reccomend? Do I need to worry about estrogen conversion or water retention?

**Bonaparte** · 10-06-2011, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by human project

I have also ran high doses of eq in the past and received much less gain than I expected. I will do some research on npp tho. I don't know much about npp other than it's a cousin to deca; is it more similar to tren? Is it stronger than deca? What type of dose and length do you reccomend? Do I need to worry about estrogen conversion or water retention?

it is still nandrolone , just a shorter ester. Not a big difference in effect.

**human project** · 10-06-2011, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by oznog6183

So you plane on running a bulking cycle and cutting cycle in one? might want to do a little more research and go with just the bulking for now, do you PCT then run the test/tren /mast cutter later on.

There is no reason you will have to gain bodyfat during your bulk, I ran test/tren/var adding 6kg (13lb) and loosing 2% bf

There are a few reasons for me switching from the bulk (test, eq, anadrol ) to a short lean mass stack (test prop, masteron , tren a) and then a few weeks of just fast esters

1. When doing a bulk cycle I always gain bf. I know its because my calories are so high but I want to break 250lbs (at a minimum) in this cycle so 5000-6000 calories is a must. I also don't want my bf fat over 12% (This is why I plan to run clen on and off and keto through the cycle)

2. When coming off aas I always gain a few %bf (from keeping calories high in hopes of saving my hard earned weight) so I figure if I can drop back down to 8-10% with a short 6wk prop, masteron, tren cycle and still maintain my weight it will help keep me under 12% through my off cycle.

3. After reading the sling shot program I am beginning to feel that using the same products for longer then 8-10wks is a waste. I know from personal experience that I never gain much more after the 10wk point. So by switching products I can prevent this from happening.

4. The last cycle I did I ended with a month of 300mg test prop and 25mg per day of winstrol (in hopes of tapering down slowly). I've always crashed after cycles really bad physically, emotionally, strength goes down the toilet, and I seem to loose so much weight. This time I feel I came off much better than usual although there was a two week period of time where I lost 10lbs.