Why do people love the AAS forum and hate the Diet forum?

[Far from massive]

Or rather the Anabolic Steroids questions and Answers forum.

Maybe a big part of it is the average persons association of the word diet with eating less and differently for wieght loss. Perhaps a better title for the forum would be Nutrition or something along those lines.

Its really sad that guys innevitably come here and ask about a cycle and as soon as someone mentions the diet forum they act like they have been insulted, and say they know how to eat etc. Hell to me planning a cycle and PCT is a lot simpler and staight forward than the complexities of proper nutrition and workouts.

OK, sorry guys rant over.

PS yeah I know I posted this in the wrong thread but only weanies hang out in the diet forum JK

[Hondarocks]

Hmm, injecting needles and popping pills is a lot easier that cooking and planning out diets...IMO

[coldfear]

I agree a cycle is wayyy simpler than making a diet. I think the problem is if people are too fkn stupid to shoot 2cc of test a week with some ancillaries and a pct how the **** can they come up with a good diet which includes counting macros, meal timing etc etc.

[coldfear]

Hmm, injecting needles and popping pills is a lot easier that cooking and planning out diets...IMO

damn you beat me to it

[gbrice75]

Simply put - to newbs and kids (and lets face it, we see a ton of both come through here every day), AAS is 'fun', diet is not. Nuff said.

[JohnnyVegas]

Diet = hard
Steroids = magic

[coldfear]

funny how all the last posters post in the diet section lol

[gbrice75]

I spend 95% of my time here in the diet section.

AAS without diet = useless

AAS with dialed in diet = magic

[Hondarocks]

I spend 95% of my time here in the diet section.

AAS without diet = useless

AAS with dialed in diet = magic

And thats why you look bad ass in the mirror my friend and the AR diet guy

[SlimmerMe]

^^^ ditto!

[Little1]

Ok I want my voice to be heard.

I think I am in great shape, and I am well above my genetic potential and holding it. So you guys know I am not fat or skinny. Anyway...

I love having a six pack and 18.5" arms. A 32 inch waist and 48" chest. Love it.

But I also love my:

Pizza
Brownies
Vodka n cranberry
Smores poptarts
Triple cheeseburgers.

Hardcore diet is not essential unless you are competing. And if you are on an impeccable diet for a magical body, you will not be happy.

Depriving yourself of the American Dream (cheeseburgers, fries, icecream, etc) is depressing.

With diet, you can go far with keeping your carbs, calories, fats and proteins in check.

My diet is NOWHERE near perfect, yet I am on the edge of 10%bf at 230lbs. Getting close.

Like I said, unless you are not a competitor, there is no reason to dial in your entire life to diet.

DIET IS IMPORTANT!! Please don't think I am saying it is not. It is more important than gear...but it is not something that should be the basis of giving people advice (Referring to the other post about diet)

[gbrice75]

And thats why you look bad ass in the mirror my friend and the AR diet guy

^^^ ditto!

Thanks guys!!!!

But I also love my:

Pizza
Brownies
Vodka n cranberry
Smores poptarts
Triple cheeseburgers.

Amen

Hardcore diet is not essential unless you are competing.

Too general a statement. Maybe for people like you, it isn't (i'm making the assumption that you're genetically predisposed to developing a nice physique, I know I could be wrong). For people like me, it is. And I never plan to compete. I let myself get out of shape in my early 20's and stayed that way for a good 15 years. That will wreak havoc on metabolism and bodily functions. I will not be able to have a relaxed diet any time in the foreseeable future. I'm genetically predisposed to gaining bodyfat. There are people I grew up with who ate worse than me, were just as inactive as me, and didn't get fat like I did. So, I wouldn't make a blanket statement like this. Also, 'hardcore' is a relative term. What's hardcore to you may be nothing to somebody else, or may be way beyond what another person is willing to commit.

And if you are on an impeccable diet for a magical body, you will not be happy.

Again, a general statement. How can you know this? Because you aren't happy when you diet hardcore? IMO, it boils down to the individual, the goal at hand, and how bad he/she wants it. I know that for a couple of years, I felt deprived, etc. - everything you're saying above. But then something happened. I changed. I realized that when I ate 'crap' foods, I felt like crap - for days - mostly mental. When I eat and stick to my plan, I feel GREAT all the time. So, quite the opposite of what you're saying above.

Depriving yourself of the American Dream (cheeseburgers, fries, icecream, etc) is depressing.

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for a break. My method is when i'm dieting and obviously want to stay sharp, and see something I want to eat, i'll write it in my phone for a future 'cheat'. This way, i'm not telling myself "no", only delaying the reward. It works wonders for feelings of deprivation. I've also noticed that by the time my planned cheat rolls around, I don't have a taste for half the shit I logged in my phone. It's a win win.

With diet, you can go far with keeping your carbs, calories, fats and proteins in check.

My diet is NOWHERE near perfect, yet I am on the edge of 10%bf at 230lbs. Getting close.

What were your beginning stats when you got in this game? Likely skinny, right? Did you get to your current stats with a very relaxed diet? I doubt it. And if you did, big congrats, you're lucky - and there's no sarcasm there.

Like I said, unless you are not a competitor, there is no reason to dial in your entire life to diet.

Agreed for the most part. I don't want my life to be about diet, etc. That said - it goes back to what I stated before - what is your goal, and how bad do you want it? I'll say what i've said in the past:

Most people don't spend the majority of their time obsessing over diet, nutrition, cooking, working out, etc. Then again, most people don't have the body of their dreams. Food for thought.

DIET IS IMPORTANT!! Please don't think I am saying it is not. It is more important than gear...but it is not something that should be the basis of giving people advice (Referring to the other post about diet)

Not sure what you're referring to, or which post. Please clarify.

[Fetch]

DIET IS IMPORTANT!! Please don't think I am saying it is not. It is more important than gear...but it is not something that should be the basis of giving people advice (Referring to the other post about diet)

You are dramatizing it. Nobody said in the other post that you must eat a 100% perfect diet to use gear. The point made was that there are far too many people that want to use gear, and are vastly underweight with no knowledge of how to eat properly.

[gbrice75]

You are dramatizing it. Nobody said in the other post that you must eat a 100% perfect diet to use gear. The point made was that there are far too many people that want to use gear, and are vastly underweight with no knowledge of how to eat properly.

^^ this. And I reiterate, gear without a proper diet (among other things, i.e. training, etc) is next to useless.

[kif]

My first cycle I was 30 my diet was shit I had minimal gains, ever since I realized how important diet is. Without a good diet your wasting your cash on gear!!!

[devildog1967]

I think diet and good training should be a must before even thinking of using AAS.. i think people avoid diet and go straight on the roids because they dont know how to train and diet prop.
A quick fix and not a very healthy body builder as they have not seen the pluses of good diet and sound training.

[chuckt12345]

and their is the problem with "proper diet". What is a proper diet for AAS compared to a perfect diet. My prb with the board is some members (not sayin on this thread) treat diet among other things as black and white, like if you dont eat this good and u dont weigh this amount at this height you shouldnt use AAS. Genetics play a HUGE roll and we pratically ignore it. I feel its better to treat each person that comes on this board on a case by case basis and not by some diet/height/weight ratio guideline. Telling a newbie that we think is to light to go to diet section and hes not ready for AAS (without even knowing about him) more than likely just pushes him to other boards.

[Fetch]

and their is the problem with "proper diet". What is a proper diet for AAS compared to a perfect diet. My prb with the board is some members (not sayin on this thread) treat diet among other things as black and white, like if you dont eat this good and u dont weigh this amount at this height you shouldnt use AAS. Genetics play a HUGE roll and we pratically ignore it. I feel its better to treat each person that comes on this board on a case by case basis and not by some diet/height/weight ratio guideline. Telling a newbie that we think is to light to go to diet section and hes not ready for AAS (without even knowing about him) more than likely just pushes him to other boards.

I'll agree with much of that. Genetics do indeed play a big role in what a person's size should be. In addition, there is an attitude of elitism present here sometimes, and instead of looking at a person's overall picture, some will just parrot the "go eat!" line.
That said, I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who are told to 'go eat,' really do just need to go eat. While it is probably not helpful to completely dismiss the newbie, I can understand a vet's frustration. Following that line of thinking, it's irresponsible to give cycle advice to people who aren't ready for it. If a person is 18 years old, for example, we won't tell them how to use steroids. Some people feel that a fundamental grasp of diet is also a part of 'being ready for steroids.'

[gbrice75]

Some people feel that a fundamental grasp of diet is also a part of 'being ready for steroids.'

This is what it is mainly, IMO. If a person doesn't know how to diet to make gains, and somehow manages to make gains while on AAS (unlikely they'll make any appreciable gains anyway), they will never be able to maintain those gains.

Also, if you notice, a vast majority of people being told to "go eat" are 6'0, 130lb guys (making a generalization of course). Sorry, but I don't need to know anything else about that person to know AAS is not the answer to their so called 'problem'.

It goes back to what I said in the beginning - planning a meticulous diet and sticking to it is hard, hard work. Having that level of commitment isn't for everybody, and can often be an acquired 'virtue'. Sticking yourself with a pin, or popping a pill is not difficult and even comes with that sense of 'mischief' - hence the reason so many kids are looking to run a cycle at 18.

[Little1]

Thanks guys!!!!



Amen



Too general a statement. Maybe for people like you, it isn't (i'm making the assumption that you're genetically predisposed to developing a nice physique, I know I could be wrong). For people like me, it is. And I never plan to compete. I let myself get out of shape in my early 20's and stayed that way for a good 15 years. That will wreak havoc on metabolism and bodily functions. I will not be able to have a relaxed diet any time in the foreseeable future. I'm genetically predisposed to gaining bodyfat. There are people I grew up with who ate worse than me, were just as inactive as me, and didn't get fat like I did. So, I wouldn't make a blanket statement like this. Also, 'hardcore' is a relative term. What's hardcore to you may be nothing to somebody else, or may be way beyond what another person is willing to commit.



Again, a general statement. How can you know this? Because you aren't happy when you diet hardcore? IMO, it boils down to the individual, the goal at hand, and how bad he/she wants it. I know that for a couple of years, I felt deprived, etc. - everything you're saying above. But then something happened. I changed. I realized that when I ate 'crap' foods, I felt like crap - for days - mostly mental. When I eat and stick to my plan, I feel GREAT all the time. So, quite the opposite of what you're saying above.

A friend of mine came over to my house. She wanted to watch "Finding Nemo". She also made brownies and covered them with icecream and fudge. Normally I would stay away and wish I could have it. And I would feel deprived. Especially when I see her devouring it. So I ate half of the box and about 8 scoops of icecream. Yea, I know it was a mistake, but I loved it and I had my fix.



Don't get me wrong - I'm all for a break. My method is when i'm dieting and obviously want to stay sharp, and see something I want to eat, i'll write it in my phone for a future 'cheat'. This way, i'm not telling myself "no", only delaying the reward. It works wonders for feelings of deprivation. I've also noticed that by the time my planned cheat rolls around, I don't have a taste for half the shit I logged in my phone. It's a win win.



What were your beginning stats when you got in this game? Likely skinny, right? Did you get to your current stats with a very relaxed diet? I doubt it. And if you did, big congrats, you're lucky - and there's no sarcasm there.

I will post my pictures over the past few years in a few minutes. Before I started any AAS I was a natural 208-210lbs. I trained my ass off and got rest, but only ate three times a day. Then my first cycle got me to 232 at 22%bf because I ate nothing but pasta. Then I ran my first cycle (Test E/Dbol/hcg) and got to nearly 260lbs. Then I started to change my diet. I lost a shitload of strength, but I look better now. I will post the pictures in a minute. My diet was relaxed until last year. And dude, I NEVER NEVER annotated my macros. I never put pen to paper to calculate diet. I REFUSE to do that. If I was to compete, that would be different. My diet is relaxed. I just try to keep my protein high and carbs low. But Like I just said...the brownies and icecream I just had must have had close to 120 carbs. Yes I still have a six pack, and I will tomorrow. Because I bust my ****ing ass in the gym and on cardio days



Agreed for the most part. I don't want my life to be about diet, etc. That said - it goes back to what I stated before - what is your goal, and how bad do you want it? I'll say what i've said in the past:

Most people don't spend the majority of their time obsessing over diet, nutrition, cooking, working out, etc. Then again, most people don't have the body of their dreams. Food for thought.

True, but obtaining that body is a true commitment. I bet 90% of the people here aren't satisfied. ****...Fireguy could even be unhappy. Dysmorphia.


Not sure what you're referring to, or which post. Please clarify.

I am saying that you should not have to master diet or be grilled about diet before you get advice on steroids. I was referring to the other thread going on about diet. Many people are going to cycle anyway, so might as well help

[Little1]

Natural before any AAS back in 2007 or 2008. I was a member of bb.com and all history can be found there. I was afraid of steroids back then and I think I was 23 years old.


After my first cycle of the prohormone "Spawn"...getting my to 232


After my first real steroid cycle (Test E, Dbol/hCG)...getting me to nearly 265lbs, where I was INCREDIBLY strong


And here I am today...with a relaxed diet still. I just watch protein, carbs and water intake.....at about 230lbs....same as the prohormone cycle


My biggest mistake over the years was a relaxed pct. Now I am on cruise/blast as of one year ago.

I do not have great genetics. I just train hard. I get dizzy. I get sick. I don't take days off, even though I should. I don't quit. I don't get discouraged. I take advice. I try. I give 100%. The BEST thing I ever did was put away the alcohol and ciggarettes.

[gbrice75]

No doubt you look great now bro, respect!

When I asked about your stats before getting into this, I meant before any kind of bodybuilding at all, not just AAS. i.e. what was your body type growing up? In your first pic you had already clearly been training for some length of time. How long have you been training, in total?

In any event, if you were truly able to get from pic 1 to pic 4 with what you'd consider a relaxed diet, and without really knowing your intake, that's pretty fvcking impressive and I would venture to guess you have very good genetics. Don't think I'm taking away from your hard work; genetics don't build muscle. You've OBVIOUSLY busted your ass and it shows. I'll still maintain that not everyone can take that same approach - i'm one of them.

I've tried the whole 'casual' dieting thing. And what was casual for me would be hardcore to the average Joe. It just didn't work out. It was like 2 steps forward, 1 step back. And sometimes the opposite, lol! For me personally, i'd rather KILL myself for 12-16 weeks (that's all it should really take with extreme dedication), quickly reach my goal and be done with it. At THAT point, I would definitely relax on the diet and have a more casual approach.

lol @ the Fireguy comment.... yea bro, dysmorphia sucks. I look in the mirror and still see a fat fvck much of the time. And when I don't see him, I see a skinny, muscle-less worm. It sucks!

[Little1]

Thanks man. In the first picture I trained for a year. I deployed in 2006 September and grabbed the weights. So that was after a year of MuscleTech NaNO Vapor and Met-RX Colossal bars. Before I started training, my natural weight was at 185-190 at about 13%bf.

My post got erased

My diet is relaxed, but I removed a few things. I don't cheat as much. I hate diet. I hate knowing I shouldnt eat pizza. But I do know it is holding me back from my goal physique

[WhiteTiger]

After the Test/Dbol/HCG did you use anything specific to cut down like that or was it just Diet? What Supplements do you use? What Vitamins? I'm very interested in your cutting down routine and maintaining routine.

[JohnnyVegas]

yea bro, dysmorphia sucks. I look in the mirror and still see a fat fvck much of the time. And when I don't see him, I see a skinny, muscle-less worm. It sucks!

Those are the only two guys I see as well. Oftentimes in the same week...so I know it is in my head.

Great thread. I envy anyone that doesn't need to keep a tight watch on their intake. I need to measure everything because if I estimate, I get fatter. Always.

[Shol'va]

^^ this. And I reiterate, gear without a proper diet (among other things, i.e. training, etc) is next to useless.

Yeah but I'm 18 and was told I could just take steroids and get huge overnite just like them guys from aussi-trailia so I wanna know now how to take um and dont give me no crapola cause Im spot on on my diet. I eat wheaties every morning....lol

[gbrice75]

Yeah but I'm 18 and was told I could just take steroids and get huge overnite just like them guys from aussi-trailia so I wanna know now how to take um and dont give me no crapola cause Im spot on on my diet. I eat wheaties every morning....lol

lol it's funny, but truth be told, how many posts do we see on a daily basis that aren't too far off the mark from this?

[terraj]

Natural before any AAS back in 2007 or 2008. I was a member of bb.com and all history can be found there. I was afraid of steroids back then and I think I was 23 years old.


After my first cycle of the prohormone "Spawn"...getting my to 232


After my first real steroid cycle (Test E, Dbol/hCG)...getting me to nearly 265lbs, where I was INCREDIBLY strong


And here I am today...with a relaxed diet still. I just watch protein, carbs and water intake.....at about 230lbs....same as the prohormone cycle


My biggest mistake over the years was a relaxed pct. Now I am on cruise/blast as of one year ago.

I do not have great genetics. I just train hard. I get dizzy. I get sick. I don't take days off, even though I should. I don't quit. I don't get discouraged. I take advice. I try. I give 100%. The BEST thing I ever did was put away the alcohol and ciggarettes.

I can guess when you added the Tren bro.....and you are right ....with Tren you don't need to worry as much about diet

[Little1]

After the Test/Dbol/HCG did you use anything specific to cut down like that or was it just Diet? What Supplements do you use? What Vitamins? I'm very interested in your cutting down routine and maintaining routine.

I just stopped eating tons of lasagna, beef and spaghetti. I was in the Army and I had to drop my run time. So I started running three times a week. I don't take a multi-vitamin. Only supps are protein and pre-workout.

I can guess when you added the Tren bro.....and you are right ....with Tren you don't need to worry as much about diet

Yep, but once you come off, the weight comes right back