1st Cycle DBOL/TEST E...Q&A

**UnderTheRose** · 10-09-2011, 08:33 PM

Ive tried to post this twice and continue to get "Needs Mod Approval"...I think its because i used links to my Diet & Nutrition. No links this time!

My Diet is in diet section under "Macro Management"
My Lifting is in Training section under "Modified 531"

40 y/o male 190 5'10 13%BF Training on and off for years, competitive powerlifter for a few years.

Goals---Strength and Power!!

DBOL kickstart of 20/30/40/40/40
TEST E of 250/500-9wks/250
PROVIRON weeks 3-6 25mg

Arimadex on hand for Gyno

PCT...
HCG ...Undecided to use during or Post?????
CLOMID 100/50/50/25
NOLVA 40/20/20/20

Proviron during, good idea? I also have an excess of Nolva and was curious about using low dose during???? Conflicting info, good pros and cons...

There seems to be a plethora of conflicting info on DBOL doses, or to use as kickstart...to use HCG during or post...to use nolva only or combine with clomid...etc etc etc!!!

I want to start with DBOL for a week or two to see how i react, call me crazy but i dont wanna start with high dose of it, its my first cycle so ill start slow and see what happens. Prob gonna start with Test in the second or third week once im comfortable with the oral.

Support Supps...
AI Cycle Support
Liv 52
Celery Seed (yeah, instead of Hawthorn Berry)
Omegas

Ive got quite a few questions ranging from doseing of oral and PCT to pin techniques. Lets start with the cycle reviews and go from there.

Thanks in advance for any and all constructive responses!!!

**UnderTheRose** · 10-09-2011, 08:36 PM

Hey this one posted...

Thanks agin in advance for the input!!!!!

**10nispro** · 10-09-2011, 08:49 PM

not sure if I understand how you are going to run the test. Just run the dbol same mg per week.

**10nispro** · 10-09-2011, 08:50 PM

what pinning questions do you have?

**UnderTheRose** · 10-09-2011, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by 10nispro

not sure if I understand how you are going to run the test. Just run the dbol same mg per week.

Sorry bout that!

250 for the 1st week
500 for weeks 2-10
250 for week 11

**UnderTheRose** · 10-09-2011, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by 10nispro

what pinning questions do you have?

Test E.....Draw with 18g and pin with 22g 1.5" in glutes and delts?

Obiviously a new needle but do i need a new syringe everytime?

**UnderTheRose** · 10-09-2011, 09:02 PM

Whats your thoughts on the Proviron on weeks 3-6? By then ill be done with DBOL and Test should be knocking in.

**funkymonk** · 10-09-2011, 09:10 PM

hCG is used DURING cycle, not during PCT
Use Clomid and Nolva during pct

Originally Posted by UnderTheRose

Sorry bout that!

250 for the 1st week
500 for weeks 2-10
250 for week 11

Just do 500mg each week, split into 2 doses.

Originally Posted by UnderTheRose

Test E.....Draw with 18g and pin with 22g 1.5" in glutes and delts?

Obiviously a new needle but do i need a new syringe everytime?

Don't be a cheapass. Buy new syringes too.

Originally Posted by UnderTheRose

Whats your thoughts on the Proviron on weeks 3-6? By then ill be done with DBOL and Test should be knocking in.

Why bother?

**UnderTheRose** · 10-10-2011, 08:07 AM

^^^^^

Sorry, didnt mean during actual PCT i meant at the end of cycle before PCT or throughout the cycle E4D.

I have some Proviron and understand that it may be beneficial in reducing estrogen.

Proviron has four distinct uses, the first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme (which converts testosterone to estrogen) than testosterone does. That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains. Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels

**gixxerboy1** · 10-10-2011, 08:27 AM

start the test and dbol at the same time.
run the test at 500mg per week straight through.
i use 25g syringes for all my injection 1 inch. Yes you need a new syringe every time.

**UnderTheRose** · 10-10-2011, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

start the test and dbol at the same time.
run the test at 500mg per week straight through.
i use 25g syringes for all my injection 1 inch. Yes you need a new syringe every time.

Gotcha...Thanks!

Any thoughts on the Proviron ?

Thanks again... for the Avatar pics, shes smoking hott!!!

**gixxerboy1** · 10-10-2011, 09:58 AM

i dont think you need the proviron . It wont hurt but i wouldnt spend the $ on it. A reg ai like a-dex or aromasin is fine

Thanks that the wifey

**UnderTheRose** · 10-10-2011, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i dont think you need the proviron . It wont hurt but i wouldnt spend the $ on it. A reg ai like a-dex or aromasin is fine

Thanks that the wifey

I already have it, came in a "Stack" i purchased so ill utilize it.

I figured as much since shes usually your avatar....your a lucky lucky man!

**UnderTheRose** · 10-10-2011, 02:19 PM

Gixxer...I have HCG as well, should I run 500iu E4D or save it for a more complex cycle? Some say its not needed with only 500 a week of Enth.

Thanks!

**gixxerboy1** · 10-10-2011, 02:28 PM

again it wont hurt you to take it but its not really needed

**ucf465** · 10-10-2011, 07:51 PM

Just do 500mg each week, split into 2 doses.

^^agreed

**dec11** · 10-10-2011, 07:54 PM

imo test only for the 1st cycle, if you have sides you wont know which is giving them

**UnderTheRose** · 10-11-2011, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

imo test only for the 1st cycle, if you have sides you wont know which is giving them

I started with the DBOL , was gonna do an oral only at first but then decided to do TEST E as well. I wanted to ease inot the oral at first, call me gunshy...I did 20mg ED for first week, then 30mg for half of next week and bumped up to 40 for remainder. This will be third week at 40, just got test so ill pin 250 tuesday night and 250sat morn. Gonna continue DBOL for 2 more weeks at 40...total of 5 weeks, 3 of em at 40mg ED.